Transcript of the 2009 meeting of the Educause Virtual Worlds Constituent Group
In Denver CO, Second Life:
and the "Cosmic Gallery" of the Heritage Key Virtual Tut Experience:
Iggy's Note: the lengths of the transcripts and the unique setting (two virtual worlds and Denver) made for an interesting experience. Given the need to provide a timely document, I will not pull out URLs to the front as I often do.
Thanks to Olivia and ponderosafish for the photos from SL. I nabbed the Heritage Key ones, and our collection can be found at Olivia's SLER group at Flickr. Thanks to Stargazer for moderating the SL discussion and Scott for moderating in Heritage Key.
Jump to the Heritage Key Session
Stargazer Blazer: AJ is talking to welcome everyone and said there is a 12-30 second delay.
Stargazer Blazer: This first part is fascinating and fun, but first and foremost, a meeting of the Virtual Worlds Constituents Group.
Olivia Hotshot: If you want to ask a question please IM me.
Fleep Tuque: Thanks Olivia. :)
Stargazer Blazer: Some of us here in SL are members, some may be considering joining the group, or Educause.
Olivia Hotshot: Welcome, Fleep.
Fleep Tuque: It's really nice to just attend this year and not be one of the ones stressed out running it. heh. ;)
Lolly Dovgal: I'm impressed.
Olivia Hotshot: =)
Robin Mochi: yes
Fleep Tuque: Isn't it great? :)
Philled Graves is Offline
Stargazer Blazer: For the folks in SL, one doesn't need to be a member of Educause to join the listserv
Lolly Dovgal: This really is a nice way to feel included at the meeting.
Oronoque Westland: AJ has a real world ALT lol
Stargazer Blazer: I didn't get the URL.
Stargazer Blazer: Perhaps someone can post that.
Esparanza Freese: please type the URL
Fletcher Pinion: http://www.educause.edu/groups/VW
Fleep Tuque: Thanks Fletch!
Lolly Dovgal: Camera operator, please slow down your movements.
Stargazer Blazer: For those of you who are on the listserv, I will also be sending a note to the list, you get a welcome message; that can be customized.
Stargazer Blazer: We should talk as a group,, about how that might be customized.
Stargazer Blazer: If anyone has any suggestions about how we might change the welcome and make it better/different/ please let AJ know.
Stargazer Blazer: There are several regional leaders present. Great to see so many of you here.
Computer Jewell: if video stops press play again
Stargazer Blazer: It's a testament to Educause that you are all here. We had meetings at all of the regional meetings, save for the Western one.
Stargazer Blazer: IF you would like to be a part of the regional ones, let him know. He's listing a bunch of the meetings coming up, no way to catch up with im.
Stargazer Blazer: Dieter coordinated in Australia.
Stargazer Blazer: We have a global reach for all of this.
job Stromfield: i'm from morocco
Stargazer Blazer: ELI: Educause Learning Initiative in Austin this year.
job Stromfield: and glad to be here
Stargazer Blazer: If you would like to participate in ELI, please let AJ know.
Stargazer Blazer: Learning Environments for a Web 2.0 World is the theme for this year's meeting.
Stargazer Blazer: Aside from the F2F meetings that we do, we also have Adobe Connect rooms available through Educause.
Stargazer Blazer: We have a built-in way to meet (in SL), however, some may not be ready to come in world yet, so we can entertain the interest of those to have an Adobe Connect meeting.
Stargazer Blazer: My goal here...
Olivia Hotshot: We can see.
Stargazer Blazer: If you can't see, there is a full room.
Purdue Aeon: Live audio is too bad, I'm bailing, sorry
Olivia Hotshot: 41 in SL
Zotarah Shepherd: All the fields and backgrounds of messages are black . I have to relog.
Stargazer Blazer: Let's get a sense of who is actually here.
Birdie Newcomb: video breaking up
job Stromfield: yes too bad
Stargazer Blazer: How many people have an avatar?
Exosius Woolley: whoever is near the microphone, we hear you fin. the speaker not as well.
Zotarah Shepherd: I see the video and you ok just not what I am typing. lol
Lolly Dovgal: Turn off mic, please.
Zotarah Shepherd: N CA
Graceful Aeon: Denver
toster Oh: I'm leaving too. good luck!
Fletcher Pinion: Cleveland OH
Arielion Clawtooth: United States
Claudia13 Rossini: Minnesota..hey AJ!
Fleep Tuque: Cincinnati, OH - University of Cincinnati - US
Stargazer Blazer: (please answer)
cyber Placebo: Wellington , new zealand
Birdie Newcomb: California
Alice Burgess: University of Kentucky
Marcia Kjeller: Auburn Alabama
Pausanius Raymaker: johnson vermont
Oronoque Westland: the folks near AJs laptop are being heard through the mic
Stargazer Blazer: Where are you in the world?
Franchella Milena: Pennsylvania
Stargazer Blazer: Oxford, Ohio
Kaiya Qunhua: Ann Arbor, MI
Lolly Dovgal: Chico, CA - CSU Chico
Marc Rexen: Mile High...:)
Rachelle Munro: Texas A&M, USA
Margaret Michalski: Chicago IL -Univ of IL at Chicago
Esparanza Freese: Florida
Oronoque Westland: New York City
Exosius Woolley: Orland, FL
Wildcat Thursday: University of Kentucky, Lexington KY
Olivia Hotshot: Chico California - Cal State University.
Robin Mochi: Portland, Oregon USA
Atomica Sands: Denver - right here in the room :)
Stargazer Blazer: Ohio rules
job Stromfield: Morocco
Abacus Capalini shouts: Westminster Colorado. Hello AJ
Atomica Sands: I miss Ann Arbor!!
Gwenette Writer: Kennesaw, Georgia North of Atlanta Kennesaw University
Ozma Malibu: Tempe, Arizona - Arizona State University
Zotarah Shepherd: Sonoma State University in northern California
job Stromfield: im in africa
job Stromfield: ^^
Fleep Tuque: w00t Africa!
Zotarah Shepherd: brb
job Stromfield: yes
Claudia13 Rossini: <---midwest but work on the east coast
Exosius Woolley: No e hearYOU
Stargazer Blazer: we hear those of you by AJ's computer.
cyber Placebo: wellington nz
Margaret Michalski: Please mute your mics
Olivia Hotshot: Taking care of the tech in IM please.
Exosius Woolley: whoever just asked tat, is the peson that is interfering
LittleToe Bartlett: Philadelphia, PA
Stargazer Blazer: who has joined SL in the last 4-5 months?
Stargazer Blazer: How about the last year?
Claudia13 Rossini: almost 3
Rachelle Munro: almost 3
Stargazer Blazer: Over two years?
Claudia13 Rossini: years
Birdie Newcomb: 3
Abacus Capalini: about 2.5 yrs. :)
Graceful Aeon: 2.5 years
Kate Miranda is Offline
Fletcher Pinion: 3 yrs I think
Franchella Milena: More than two years
Ozma Malibu: 3+
Olivia Hotshot: 3 years.
Olivia Hotshot: Yes.
Marcia Kjeller: yes
Robin Mochi: yes
Ozma Malibu: yes
Exosius Woolley: yes
Rachelle Munro: yes
Margaret Michalski: yes
Atomica Sands: yes
Fleep Tuque: Yes
Alice Burgess: yes
Pausanius Raymaker: yes
job Stromfield: yes
cyber Placebo: ujnsure but probably
Franchella Milena: yes
Wildcat Thursday: yes
Esparanza Freese: yes
Marc Rexen: Yes.
Stargazer Blazer: Do you belong to an institution that belongs to Educause?
Gwenette Writer: yes
Lolly Dovgal: yes
Stargazer Blazer: yes
cyber Placebo: victoria Uni wellington nz
Fletcher Pinion: not sure
Jackie Rexen: yes
Birdie Newcomb: heard of it, not sure what it is
Zotarah Shepherd: I only heard of Educause here
Stargazer Blazer: How many people here have never heard of Educause before today's meeting, or before the Educause Virtual WorldsConstituents group? Say no.
Stargazer Blazer: Couple of people haven't.
job Stromfield: havent heard before
Olivia Hotshot: Yes, can hear.
Abacus Capalini: @ Zotarah heard of Educause in SL first as well. :)
Stargazer Blazer: I'd like to talk about the future of Virtual Worlds in education.
Stargazer Blazer: Heritage Key is in Open Sim,
Birdie Newcomb: what are we seeing?
Stargazer Blazer: From where I am seeing this, we are on a cusp of this trough, after a bang, now Gartner and others might say we are in the trough.
Olivia Hotshot: Heritage Key
Abacus Capalini: Yes!!! had to have that fight with admins and IT
Pausanius Raymaker: is there a video stream URL?
Fletcher Pinion: the age limit is still a show stopper for us - we have 16yo students
Stargazer Blazer: We are getting beyond the initial impressions, to get beyond the initial impressions.
Abacus Capalini: What could you possibly use a virtual world for? You teach accounting. lol
Stargazer Blazer: Project Wonderland lets you work in real time with Word documents, it's more of a business platform, but it is a virtual world...
Olivia Hotshot: Abacus - run a virtual business maybe?
Stargazer Blazer: Open Sim includes the Heritage Key sim.
Abacus Capalini: lol exactly. :)
Abacus Capalini: @Olivia :-) exactly
Stargazer Blazer: dr_manhattan is the Reaction Grid tag (I think)
Stargazer Blazer: We are starting to see more viable alternatives
Abacus Capalini: Ernst & Young built a warehouse so train new employees how to audit!
Stargazer Blazer: so that more than one person in one department can use it.
Olivia Hotshot: Dr_Manhattan is the correct Twitter name
Stargazer Blazer: Are there going to be technical problems? Heck yea
Abacus Capalini: Biggest Tech issue: graphics cards and memory
Fletcher Pinion: http://twitter.com/Dr_Manhattan
Stargazer Blazer: We had technical problems....
Arielion Clawtooth: @Abucus We're being asked not to type into the local chat (Even though I believe this is wrong since that's the idea of being in SL to have the backchannel)
Stargazer Blazer: Heritage Key is becoming a viable alternative... content creation is differnet there from SL in what it looks like.
Exosius Woolley: ha ha "technical >skrkkk< " is what I heard
Abacus Capalini: Tech issue: That is what the support page on www.secondlife.com is for. :)
Stargazer Blazer: It might be a good location to show the possibilities.
Gwenette Writer: content creation for residents??
Birdie Newcomb: This sound is giving me a headache.
Abacus Capalini: I hear a cell phone in the audience. :) Good mic AJ.
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: btw, I'm at HK now, but you can see the video stream at: rtsp://qss.clemson.edu/Suzie.sdp
Stargazer Blazer: what is the one thing you will find in Heritage Key but not in SL?
Computer Jewell: rtsp://qss.clemson.edu/Suzie.sdp is the Quicktime video stream address, but this is video only w/out audio
Exosius Woolley: Me too
Computer Jewell: Hosted by Clemson University
Stargazer Blazer: SL has a lot of content. We are not seeing this yet in the other virtual worlds.
Rachelle Munro: yes, the content creation is web 2.0
Fletcher Pinion: audio getting noiser
Stargazer Blazer: There have been issues in the past about picking pu and moving a sim from one vw to another
Exosius Woolley: is someone using a power saw in that room?
Stargazer Blazer: The rationale behind that is that some of the activities in SL require students to do stuff outside of SL.
Exosius Woolley: Can the mic be set no closer
Stargazer Blazer: In order for VWs to succeed, they need to be portable, (AJ's opinion)
Lolly Dovgal: Turn volume way down low.
Stargazer Blazer: It will make it a viable usable platform
Exosius Woolley: We hear the lady at the computer clearly each time she mumbles but the speaker cannot be understood
Gwenette Writer: yes
Abacus Capalini: But Do we want an identity to cross worlds?
Abacus Capalini: I have. :)
Stargazer Blazer: How many have taught classes in SL?
Gwenette Writer: i have
Zotarah Shepherd: I have taught a few
Esparanza Freese: I teach a graduate course here
Fleep Tuque: Many classes. :)
Stargazer Blazer: I'm going to stop talking quite so much and say that we do these things on an onsite location.
Robin Mochi: I have and am
Zotarah Shepherd: Not credit classes yet, but soon I hope.
Stargazer Blazer: the quiet ones here might react in chat.
Stargazer Blazer: Questions, answers, reactions
Stargazer Blazer: the topic we picked is that there are three themes for next year
Abacus Capalini: In SL, students and visitors can't hide. We have a record of your contributions. :)
Stargazer Blazer: 1. Learning Environments
Stargazer Blazer: 2. Fostering Student Engagement
Stargazer Blazer: I missed the first one, the audio is getting bad.
Stargazer Blazer: SL isn't going to go away.
Claudia13 Rossini: hi AJ
Stargazer Blazer: SL is the AOL of virtual worlds
Claudia13 Rossini: Yahoo
Stargazer Blazer: He sees it as a major content provider, market share, etc.
Gwenette Writer: afk for a few folks:)
Stargazer Blazer: the way we connected at first to the Internet was by AOL, used to be giant, and now is still around.
Stargazer Blazer: AJ sees this happening with VWs as well.
Stargazer Blazer: SL is the giant.
Stargazer Blazer: VWs will become unimportant, or will explode.
Stargazer Blazer: Part of my job is to play around with emerging technology, what is out there, etc. Get to play with SL for my job.
Stargazer Blazer: I am going to stop talking as much
Olivia Hotshot: if anyone has a question - IM ME
Stargazer Blazer: any comments, questions in RL?
Stargazer Blazer: Cannot hear the person in the room; chopping up.
Olivia Hotshot: DO NOT start talking.
Exosius Woolley: Can you tell us eveythinghe said for the last 20 min?
Olivia Hotshot: There will be a transcript Exosius.
Stargazer Blazer: sure, scroll up
Stargazer Blazer: I cannot hear what this man is saying
Stargazer Blazer: The audio is going in and out.
Olivia Hotshot: Please know i am in IM doing the tech. We know the sound is in and out.
Stargazer Blazer: there have been some major issues in TX.
Stargazer Blazer: Thanks, I just wanted to explain why it's not being transcribed.
Olivia Hotshot: They are changing the battery on the mic - please hang a sec
cyber Placebo: :-)
Claudia13 Rossini: lol
Stargazer Blazer: the battery on the mic is being changed.
Abacus Capalini: TECH HAPPENS :)
cyber Placebo: @abacus or doesn't
Fletcher Pinion: what were the major issues in TX?
Zotarah Shepherd: It would help the media, if the camera did not move around so fast or so much.
Exosius Woolley: This audio quality is intolerable.
Stargazer Blazer: Not really.
Stargazer Blazer: Sl just put out their latest quarter stats.
Stargazer Blazer: Avatar time online was down
Stargazer Blazer: Everything else was up
Stargazer Blazer: 150 million dollars spent last quarter
Stargazer Blazer: Some people might argue open sim will run this sort of stuff
Stargazer Blazer: with programmers and stuff; this is an argument he's heard.
Olivia Hotshot: IF ANYONE HAS A QUESTION, PLEASE IM ME.
Arielion Clawtooth: My IM isn't working Olivia. My question is whether it is cost-effective to hire a contractor to do the building in SL or is it more cost-effective to have it done by staff & faculty?
Stargazer Blazer: I missed the question.
Stargazer Blazer: there is no audio
Olivia Hotshot: PLEASE RESTATE QUESTION AJ.
Zotarah Shepherd: Media lag is usual.
Stargazer Blazer: is it possible to use VW and these analogies to the web; before you draw an analogy fully... run the servers for you and maintain your avatar across VWs...
Robin Mochi: must run to 1st life meeting, thanks all :)
Stargazer Blazer: Scott from Univ. of Arkansas
Zotarah Shepherd: You do not have access to the rich content others have built in SL in OpenSim, so SL continue to thrive.
Stargazer Blazer: Based on open sim, we have two universities and sims.
Stargazer Blazer: We will be able to plug into lots of ideas.
Claudia13 Rossini: <----builder
Fletcher Pinion: instructional designer
Stargazer Blazer: Iggy asks: How many are faculty in the FL room, instructional designers, builders
Abacus Capalini: Director / Faculty
Stargazer Blazer: what will it take to have faculty Try a VW in a class?
cyber Placebo: what it takes is a redesign of course outline and do faculty have the time to do so>
Stargazer Blazer: Erika: very heard to hear
Exosius Woolley: We cannot hear!
cyber Placebo: + the tech support behind?
Atomica Sands: <-erica
Atomica Sands: i said that the graphics are too bad for students to have interest
Stargazer Blazer: What did you say, we couldn't hear in here.
Stargazer Blazer: Ah, thanks
Fleep Tuque: These things are always spotty but I appreciate the efforts of those on the ground.
Atomica Sands: and that the learning curve is too much for faculty to deal with
Atomica Sands: students want WoW and XBOX live, not SL
Stargazer Blazer: Right
Fleep Tuque: It depends on the student.
Atomica Sands: until gaming companies start making high end educational games it's going to be difficult to retain their interest
cyber Placebo: @atomica exactly GenY need a goal and structure
Abacus Capalini: How is SL different from faculty having to learn a new LMS? Similar Barriers.
cyber Placebo: GenX are happy to explore without structure
Atomica Sands: SL is much harder to learn than CMS/LMS imo
Arielion Clawtooth: @cyber I think it's just the opposite
Fleep Tuque: I a very resistant to using broad generational labels
Exosius Woolley: Good bye, I ho0pe you get your sound problems fixed for next time
Fleep Tuque: I think they can be very misleading
Atomica Sands: just speaking from my experience with higher ed faculty, and with HS and college students
Arielion Clawtooth: Discussions on the SLED list infer that it's because it is not directed students do not enjoy SL as much as WoW, etc.
cyber Placebo: @aerielion in games they have a structure to work through
Oronoque Westland: we expect our students to learn new things all the time, if we are unwilling to learn we are not being very good models
Abacus Capalini: @ Fleep agree. Generational labels do not apply.
Claudia13 Rossini: excellent point Oronoque!
cyber Placebo: WOW have strict rules and goals that is why GenY love it
Olivia Hotshot: FEEL FREE TO ADD TO ANSWERS IN TEXT CHAT.
Zotarah Shepherd: Next time it would help if the transcribers were also there live if audio problems persist.
cyber Placebo: they are led to do stuff
Arielion Clawtooth: Wcyber That's what I'm saying. They miss that in SL.
Stargazer Blazer: 2:00 SLT Education Roundtable meets here.
Olivia Hotshot: 2:30 SLT.
Fleep Tuque: I am not GenY and love WoW too ;)
cyber Placebo: Sl have none it is free for all and hope for the best
Atomica Sands: my students have really liked MetaPlace
Fleep Tuque: I don't think it's a generational issue as much it is an expectation issue.
cyber Placebo: like it too and am Gen X fleep
Woodrow Winslet: what the hell?
cyber Placebo: but my nephew doubts Sl and is a total addict to WOW
Olivia Hotshot: Woodrow - watch the language please,
Abacus Capalini: I guess I'm genWoW then. lol
Stargazer Blazer: Can one of the people running AJ's avatar please transcribe for us?
Woodrow Winslet: where am i ?
Margaret Michalski: Everyone-Olivia and I are doing the best we can from our remote locations
Margaret Michalski: the problem is in Denver
Woodrow Winslet: wow this is awesome
Stargazer Blazer: the meeting on the 17th 2:30-3:30 SLT has a wide diversity of faculty
cyber Placebo: just taught a 15 hour course to trainee teachers on web2.0
cyber Placebo: with an intro to Sl
Stargazer Blazer: He's plugging his own group meeting.
Stargazer Blazer: But acknowledges there are others.
cyber Placebo: none of them had heard of Sl apart from the usual kinky stuff
Oronoque Westland: and a good mtg it is!
Woodrow Winslet: i am doing a project for school
Fletcher Pinion: cyber - was that a credit course, or prof dev?
Arielion Clawtooth: Are the questions we asked going to be addressed?
Woodrow Winslet: this is perfect for my snapshot
cyber Placebo: basketball and other games
cyber Placebo: most of them were playing online
Woodrow Winslet: and how i could use this in school
Olivia Hotshot: Arielon i am in the queue to ask.
Olivia Hotshot: AJ I AM READY WITH QUESTIONS HERE.
Stargazer Blazer: Joe is using SL and he is going to share his experience
Fleep Tuque: yikes the audio is too much
Woodrow Winslet: sounds better
Woodrow Winslet: good
AJ Brooks: Are you using voice for the questions
Stargazer Blazer: AJ needs to be turned down.
Olivia Hotshot: Arielion Clawtooth:(He says his IM isn't working Olivia. ) My question is whether it is cost-effective to hire a contractor to do the building in SL or is it more cost-effective to have it done by staff & faculty?
Abacus Capalini: and then there was no white noise and it was good. :)
Woodrow Winslet: staff
Woodrow Winslet: and faculty
Zotarah Shepherd: Much better audio with Olivia.
Pausanius Raymaker: ok
AJ Brooks: Please repeat the q?
Olivia Hotshot: Back to you.
Fleep Tuque: It depends on your budget IMO.
Oronoque Westland: Arielion Clawtooth:(He says his IM isn't working Olivia. ) My question is whether it is cost-effective to hire a contractor to do the building in SL or is it more cost-effective to have it done by staff & faculty?
Fleep Tuque: If you don't have one, you have no choice but to use faculty and staff. ;)
Pausanius Raymaker: and time line
Stargazer Blazer: We cannot hear from Denver.
Fletcher Pinion: I'd say the question is what are you building and why?
Oronoque Westland: AJ is typing
AJ Brooks: AJ would like you to restate the q one more time
Fleep Tuque: nod the why point being the most important
Fleep Tuque: What is your goal?
Stargazer Blazer: it's in Chat, can you read it aloud?
AJ Brooks: Yes do them in chat
Fleep Tuque: If you just want to have a digital reproduction of your physical campus so you have pretty eye candy, just hire a designer. ;)
Stargazer Blazer: Arielion Clawtooth:(He says his IM isn't working Olivia. ) My question is whether it is cost-effective to hire a contractor to do the building in SL or is it more cost-effective to have it done by staff & faculty?
Stargazer Blazer: We cannot hear you in Denver
Stargazer Blazer: Please type back in chat with answers.
Atomica Sands: they're trying to figure stuff out
Zotarah Shepherd: Please steady the camera and we will get better video. When you move it it turns to mush.
Olivia Hotshot: Go for it AJ
Fleep Tuque: Oh that's painful
Stargazer Blazer: we cannot hear you in Denver
Olivia Hotshot: we hear you now
Claudia13 Rossini: visual beauty and usable design can be achieved by the right builder
Gwenette Writer: as a developer of a university campus for recruitment and also teaching in non-replica builds . . if faculty builds it is also costly as their time is stretched ; if faculty and students build i recommend visits to already built unis
Fleep Tuque: Someone tell him to move that mic away from his mouth
Stargazer Blazer: It is very distorted
Fleep Tuque: It's waaaaay too hot
Abacus Capalini: My $0.02, it is all about time frame. Short term = Builder/ designer ; Long-term = faculty, staff, & students. :)
cyber Placebo: how about holodecks to reduce build
Gwenette Writer: there are numerous free builds now that are excellent for education
Pausanius Raymaker: depends on your goals
Fleep Tuque: Another option is to find students in your digital design programs especially if you have a co-op program
cyber Placebo: @gwenette indeed
cyber Placebo: get design students to build project?
Oronoque Westland: you can offer student internships
Zotarah Shepherd: If teachers in SL are not also taking students on tours or having them explore they are missing out on a lot.
Fleep Tuque: We've had great success with that model. Faculty and Staff help define the goals and our design students actually do the work. Coops internships work study
Fletcher Pinion: @fleep - and orgs such as educause and OLN can be clearinghouses for them
Fleep Tuque: nod yes
Abacus Capalini: @gwenette Lots of great free stuff and low cost stuff. Shopping gets you better quality these days. :)
Olivia Hotshot: MIRT!!!!
Oronoque Westland: there are a lot of freebies and cheap pre-fabs in SL, unless you want a duplicate of your physical campus
Pavig Lok: in terms of cost effectiveness it depends on how much your staffs time is worth (and if you want them to learn) - for some projects builders work out cheaper
Abacus Capalini: In SL, you can stretch your $... 1$ = $L 260+ :)
Fleep Tuque: hehe
Arielion Clawtooth: Thanks, Mirt. I even heard you. ;o)
Gwenette Writer: NMC has great builds available made for universities but the design of the campus might want to discuss with other unis and builders as a consultant to help you create "flow" in interiors and on the land itself
Zotarah Shepherd: Many builds are editable so you can customize them to suit your project or class.
Fleep Tuque: nod
Fleep Tuque: I'm a big fan of buying and modding. :)
Olivia Hotshot: Excellent point Zo.
Atomica Sands: true and that is nice
Stargazer Blazer: I build a lot but we also hire a builder with professional design skill ( from Denver)
Pausanius Raymaker: this question baffles me--SL is a constructivist environment, you construct your virtual learning environment as the first step
cyber Placebo: Holodecks?
cyber Placebo: small builds cost-effective and time-effective
cyber Placebo: (I am in languages)
Fleep Tuque: I'd argue it is as much connectivist as constructivist. ;)
Arielion Clawtooth: @Fleep Eye candy is evil in SL.
Fleep Tuque: I don't agree actually
Fleep Tuque: I think it depends on the goal. :)
Zotarah Shepherd: Most educational builds in SL are boring and flat. The historical buildings are more interesting.
Pausanius Raymaker: :-) sure, collaboratively constructivist...
Arielion Clawtooth: Too much lag.
Fletcher Pinion: (this from the guy with feathered wings...) :-D
Gwenette Writer: @ Pauy if taht is the learning goals of source yes, but often faculty want to taqch their curriculum with basic skills needed only for themselves and students they do NOT want to learn to build esp something like a full building and a sim landscape
Arielion Clawtooth: Depending on purpose. Yeah, but I'm impermanent, @fletcher
Gwenette Writer: sorry typonese attack ahha
cyber Placebo: @gwenette I agree
Stargazer Blazer: Joe is saying [that he was] beta testing in Heritage Key and he chose part of it and made a wiki
Pausanius Raymaker: :-)
cyber Placebo: I can't see anyone for the moment getting involved with SL
Zotarah Shepherd: Put the URL in chat please Iggy ["Saving Isis Project" is http://iggyssyllabus.pbworks.com/Saving-Isis]
Stargazer Blazer: I challenged students to come up with a solution [to the destruction of the Isis mural when Howard Carter exavated Tut's tomb]
cyber Placebo: apart from the techie in the School of design
Abacus Capalini: SL is not Netbook friendly ... yet. :)
Zotarah Shepherd: Many people are already involved in education in SL
Stargazer Blazer: It is the salient question with VW developers need to be able to run on slower connections
Pausanius Raymaker: content specific builds and tools obviously need to be available
Gwenette Writer: def that is a variable to incorporate into build areas
Rachelle Munro: simplistic, but familiar setting makes it easier for Newbie instructors as well as students :)
Stargazer Blazer: so that students will stay on after the class.
Stargazer Blazer: how many students return to Blackboard after the class?
Arielion Clawtooth: @Abacus That was my point about eye candy. Students don't have the bandwidth for it unless it's part of the requirements.
Oronoque Westland: I wouldn't want to return to Bb!
Stargazer Blazer: It's a learning tool... so they leave it once they are done.
Abacus Capalini: Exactly AJ, Bb is not very netbook friendly either. lol
Pausanius Raymaker: embeddd with augmented data it persists
Stargazer Blazer: is there something in SL that they can relate to their RL?
Olivia Hotshot: NEXT QUESTION FROM SL: Are educators more enthused about VE than students might be?
Gwenette Writer: Blackboard has inworld tools for sl classes now developed by ball Stae uni with a grant from blackboard
cyber Placebo: why wouldn't to relate to RL in SL
Pausanius Raymaker: absolutely because it is ard work!
Gwenette Writer: varies ahha
cyber Placebo: the beauty of Sl is to lash out on creativity
Olivia Hotshot: PLEASE IM ME QUESTIONS
Ozma Malibu: I am having students develop a SLoodle presentation on an SL topic, so that bandwidth challenged students in rural Arizona can view the presentation in Moodle
Fleep Tuque: Yes we're testing the Blackboard + Second Life building block now
Claudia13 Rossini: 50/50 depends on the personality of the person behind the av
Pausanius Raymaker: agreeed cyber
cyber Placebo: @ Fleep is there an SL component with BB?
Zotarah Shepherd: Students on the teen grid stick with SL when they transfer to the main grid so the TG educators - like Maggie Marrat - are doing something right to get them interested.
Abacus Capalini: NPIRL - Not Possible In RL :) SL is all about this as well as what is possible in RL. :)
cyber Placebo: heard of sloodle
Olivia Hotshot: Per Fleep - keep in mind we are talking Bb 9 or 10 - NOT Vista.
Gwenette Writer: yes Fleep here is slurl and they offer good support http://slurl.com/secondlife/Ball%20State%20University/136/136/23
Fleep Tuque: Yes, there's a blackboard building block that runs on the Bb side and scripted ojects that run on the SL side
Fleep Tuque: the project is open source
Fleep Tuque: and all th components are free
Gwenette Writer: I was told the sl BB tools work with Vista version of BB
Fleep Tuque: This keyboard is awful, doh.
Abacus Capalini: We did a build for the Tibetan Book of the Dead. So our students could go through the Buddhist rebirth Cycle.
cyber Placebo: where can I find info? Fleep
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Fleep Tuque: Gwenette just posted the slurl
Rachelle Munro: oftentimes, students want the easy way to an end, and SL has a steeper learning curve than Bb, so an instructor has to lead them down the path to see the real value
cyber Placebo: so cool!
cyber Placebo: tah
Gwenette Writer: see this location: for BB in SL http://slurl.com/secondlife/Ball%20State%20University/136/136/23
Stargazer Blazer: something has to happen that shows there IS more to it.
Abacus Capalini: The students loved it. .. We could not have done this in RL.
Fletcher Pinion: that's the main affordance of a VW - stuff you can't do IRL
Olivia Hotshot: ANY MORE QUESTIONS FROM THE SL AUDIENCE?
Zotarah Shepherd: Yes Fletcher
Abacus Capalini: Sending RL students to bardo would be bad for student retention rates :) ... not ot mention our graduation rates
Stargazer Blazer: Just one: Can they transcribe from Denver? :)
Arielion Clawtooth: @Fletcher Amen!
Olivia Hotshot: 20 people on the SL sim at the moment
Atomica Sands: She's saying it takes just one student to be interested, to make it a success
Fletcher Pinion: The dealbreaker, though, is always the age limit in SL.
Fleep Tuque: I'm afraid I have to run off or a meeting in the physical world, but great to see everyone as always. :)
Gwenette Writer: one mind at a time:)) open 'em up:))
Fletcher Pinion: cya, fleep!
Olivia Hotshot: QUESTION - How many people are on Heritage Key?
Zotarah Shepherd: I keep hearing rumors that the TG separation might change.
Fleep Tuque: Thanks to Olivia and Iggy and AJ and everyone who worked to make this possible. :) wave!
Oronoque Westland: bye Fleep
Pausanius Raymaker: bye Fleep [and many others bid farewell]
Gwenette Writer: have been how nay folks have seen immersiveeducation.org on Reac tionGrid open sim all ages teaching k-H.E. there
cyber Placebo: for those who are teaching on SL would like to know how course redesign they have had to do
Pavig Lok: right now 11 avs are in the HK audience
Olivia Hotshot: Thank you Pavig.
Olivia Hotshot: Getting the Reaction Grid meeting set
Olivia Hotshot: FEB on Reaction Grid
Gwenette Writer: www.reactiongrid.com/
Pausanius Raymaker: Reaction Grid is a great alternative for k-12
Olivia Hotshot: cyber Placebo: : for those who are teaching on SL I would like to know how course redesign they have had to do?
Stargazer Blazer: Any more questions?
Pausanius Raymaker: still redesigning!
Olivia Hotshot: 11 on HK
Olivia Hotshot: cyber Placebo: : for those who are teaching on SL I would like to know how course redesign they have had to do
Olivia Hotshot: That was the last question.
Claudia13 Rossini: how many people in the Denver auditorium?
Gwenette Writer: definitely alksoi for student teachers whith their own classes in sl but their class assignment to use vw in k-12 classes in Reaction Grid
Olivia Hotshot: Question: cyber Placebo: : for those who are teaching on SL I would like to know how much course redesign they have had to do
LittleToe Bartlett: yes
LittleToe Bartlett: no, Pavig and I are in both worlds
Pausanius Raymaker: its an evolving process, but potentially it will be from the bottom up :-)
cyber Placebo: cannot hear
Abacus Capalini: Depends on how you will use SL? It can be a project or it could be the whole class.
Stargazer Blazer: Have to redesign the class...
Ozma Malibu: I am teaching open-entry open-exit (course redesign) and asking students to work in pairs. In RL I would not be asking them to work together necessarily, in an online course. That is the main change.
Abacus Capalini: Whole class .. then lots of redesign.
Olivia Hotshot: Redesign is never simple or quick.
Abacus Capalini: project oriented uses of SL, not much redesign needed.
Stargazer Blazer: I can't hear enough to transcribe, sorry guys, the mic is breaking up pretty bad.
Ozma Malibu: Students can start the course at any time, and finish at any time.
Stargazer Blazer: It's where there is not a semester time frame.
Pausanius Raymaker: as an educator I am redesigning, so the course work does too
Arielion Clawtooth: Asynchronous, basically.
Stargazer Blazer: One of the things I found most impressive... on clinical simulations... can someone be our guest for that?
Atomica Sands: what time is the roundtable on the 17th?
Olivia Hotshot: 2:30 SLT
Gwenette Writer: curious did students and teachers find it time consuming or difficult to gather a tool set to deliver curriculum and share/deliver assignments??
Olivia Hotshot: Every Tuesday at 2:30
Atomica Sands: ty
Stargazer Blazer: An emergency room was set up so students had to go through that simulations.
Stargazer Blazer: One of the best examples was the Canadian Border Crossing simulation
Gwenette Writer: LL did a case study on that program's first year in sl you can see online
Zotarah Shepherd: Yes the video is great.
Stargazer Blazer: When the students did the test, those who did the simulation in SL, there was a 38% difference over two years.
cyber Placebo: kiwi educators do school leavers interviews and it is also working really well
Olivia Hotshot: Ken Hudson - Canadian Border Crossing
Stargazer Blazer: Contact Ken Hudson at Loyalist College about the details.
cyber Placebo: job interviews and avatars are a way of distancing themselves for a start
cyber Placebo: fab feedback from students
Olivia Hotshot: We're nearly done folks - any more questions?
Stargazer Blazer: When AJ's talking to someone in the room, we cannot hear them.
Gwenette Writer: many thanks AJ and all the team here for providing this virtual aprticipation for us:)
Atomica Sands: they're talking about other SL sessions at Educause
Stargazer Blazer: Top 10 questions when implementing SL
Stargazer Blazer: is a session there
Gwenette Writer: Top Ten is when??
Abacus Capalini: Will top 10 be in SL?
Atomica Sands: sounds like it, but no one knows where
Stargazer Blazer: Nope, it's in Denver.
Gwenette Writer: you all did a GREAT job:))
Gwenette Writer: The Top Ten is when/where??
Gwenette Writer: in sl at all??
Gwenette Writer: online??
Atomica Sands: ty all, i hope to join a roundtable sometime
Margaret Michalski: Thanks AJ!
Zotarah Shepherd: Next time maybe we will send Olivia a ticket to the meeting. Thank you Olivia and Star
Margaret Michalski: Thanks Olivia!
Abacus Capalini: Thanks AJ!! :) Olivia and Fleep.
Claudia13 Rossini: Thanks AJ
Stargazer Blazer: The top 10 questions when implementing SL is a session @ Educause in Denver, not going on in SL.
Abacus Capalini: QQ
Zotarah Shepherd: Yaya Joe!
Margaret Michalski: Thanks AJ, Iggy and Olivia
Gwenette Writer: ahh shucks can we see online at all??
Zotarah Shepherd: Yay Olivia!
Fletcher Pinion: thanks, y'all
Abacus Capalini: lol
Zotarah Shepherd applaudes all the great helpers.
Stargazer Blazer: Thanks
Stargazer Blazer: Hi suzie
Abacus Capalini: Great job all.
Margaret Michalski: Glad to help whenever I can AJ
Gwenette Writer: Aloha nui loa to you all:)_) Thanks AJ:))
Olivia Hotshot: Bye!!
Zotarah Shepherd: Hi Gwenette
cyber Placebo: ka kite ano
Gwenette Writer: Aloha Zotarah:))
Stargazer Blazer: yea
Zotarah Shepherd: Hi Margaret
cyber Placebo: yes we can
Abacus Capalini: Bye all. :)
Jump to the Second Life Session
Scott Diener: Hello everyone, welcome to Educause 2009!
LT Heritage: yay!
Iggyo Heritage: Scott, you stylin' over there
Pavig Lok: ok i'll go round the grid and see if i can mop up strays
Scott Diener: http://www.educause.edu/groups/vw
Scott Diener: you can sign up for our listserve there
Iggyo Heritage: I'm getting pics for my blog, btw, Pharaoh
Scott Diener: and join the educause constituent group
Iggyo Heritage: got my call muted but I hear the voice feed from Denver
Mel Rachael: heyy
LT Heritage: I hear both live voice somewhere and someone else talking from somewhere else, simultaneously
Iggyo Heritage: anyone here yet who is not with Rezzable, other than Scott and me?
Scott Diener: Joe, you may have to type, as there is a feedback loop that gets going
Iggyo Heritage: my mic is muted
Scott Diener: my speakers are muted at the moment
Iggyo Heritage: I'm not getting the feedback loop--from Denver?
Scott Diener: you would if I turned on my speakers
LT Heritage: ok- I think I'm just hearing you twice, once on lag
LT Heritage: I'm in both worlds... heh
Iggyo Heritage: that's it...I've not spoken for a few minutes
Iggyo Heritage: and the lag was enormous
Chimera Cosmos: Thanks Pavig! I was lost LOL
Iggyo Heritage: nearly 2 minutes
Iggyo Heritage: Hi Chimera
Iggyo Heritage: welcome to HK :)
Iggyo Heritage: remember "Barney Miller" from the 70s? I'm Ron Glass' twin :)
Chimera Cosmos: is there a stream here?
Chimera Cosmos: video?
LT Heritage: should be audio
LT Heritage: lol, Iggy... I was thinking of a local sportscaster when he was made
Lokum Shilova: In the bottom right of your screen, there's a small music note with a Play button next to it - press the play button to listen in!
Chimera Cosmos: I hear audio, but it might be in a browser tab I can't find LOL
Chimera Cosmos: heard sound over in the Valley of the Kings too, so if that's not possible...
Iggyo Heritage: I've got another computer running SL
Iggyo Heritage: and I see the vid stream from Denver there
LT Heritage: ok, yeah, me too- now watching video there and listening here
Mel Rachael: :)
Mel Rachael: :P
Iggyo Heritage: thanks Scott
Scott Diener: :-)
Iggyo Heritage: I think I DID have two audio streams going
Iggyo Heritage: LOL
Iggyo Heritage: I'm now listening via Skype only, not HK
LT Heritage: I'm listening via HK and it sounds fine
Mel Rachael: nice top lokum
Scott Diener: could everyone type in where you are in the world?
Lokum Shilova: :) thk you
Lokum Shilova: London
Mel Rachael: np :P
Mel Rachael: wher u egt it?
LT Heritage: Philadelphia
Iggyo Heritage: Richmond, Ol' Virginny
Chimera Cosmos: was watching M Linden in Chilbo in SL too...brain is split LOL
Lokum Shilova: same here
Chimera Cosmos: :-)
Mel Rachael: ty lokum :P
Lokum Shilova: np at all
Mel Rachael: wher u get the red 1 2?
Iggyo Heritage: vid feed from Denver into SL is spotty
Iggyo Heritage: breaks up a lot
Eagle Heritage: Colorado
Pavig Lok: melbourne australia
LT Heritage: mel, those things will be available in about a month or so
Mel Rachael: ty anymor or not ? :P
Lokum Shilova: I hear perfect so far good
Lokum Shilova: sure :)
Mel Rachael: ty
Scott Diener: you can also watch the video at the following address (quicktime)
Mel Rachael: ty
Scott Diener: rtsp://qss.clemson.edu/Suzie.sdp
Iggyo Heritage: thanks, Scott--I hate rolling across the room constantly
Scott Diener: okay, I will point it out
Scott Diener: Winks at Eagle...:-)
Eagle Heritage: ;-)
Iggyo Heritage: got the streaming QT feed now great at the URL you gave
Scott Diener: what is the twitter account for Heritage Key?
Iggyo Heritage: I'll share this URL with the SL crowd now
Lokum Shilova: #educause09vwcg we are using this hashtag as you do Heritagekey
Mel Rachael: hey nearly every1 is sittin down :P
Lokum Shilova: and we have got 4 other sims 50+ more seats yeahhhh
Mel Rachael: hehe lol
Iggyo Heritage: heh...AJ is plugging HK while claiming he's not :D
Lokum Shilova: :D
Mel Rachael: :P
Scott Diener: plugging is good!
Scott Diener: lol
Iggyo Heritage: worlds just collided...I see a Richmond colleague at Denver on the QT stream :D
Eagle Heritage: chuckles
Scott Diener: awesome Joe....small world(s)
Mel Rachael: dus any1 no wen the stone henge wil b on here?
Iggyo Heritage: I cannot wait for it
Mel Rachael: ino wen is it?
Iggyo Heritage shrugs
Mel Rachael: kk :)
Chimera Cosmos: do we have chatbridge from SL to Heritage Key? heheh
Scott Diener: hahah...not yet...but that will come with hypergrids....
Pavig Lok: they're typin a lot
Pavig Lok: we _could_ set such a thing up but didn't quite have the lead time and devs around in time to set it up for today
Pavig Lok: ... but a chat bridge that works between sims in sl would work also to link sl and opensim
Mel Rachael: btw r these seats usually here? :S
Iggyo Heritage: you know--first company to figure out how to host avatars for hypergrids, with IP-vetted inventory, and not host grids, will get VERY rich fast
Iggyo Heritage: AJ's on his subversive part now...SL is the AOL of VWs :D
Mel Rachael: ur hair is so nice lokum :P
Lokum Shilova: heheheh ermmm kk
Scott Diener: so is mine!
Mel Rachael: :D
Iggyo Heritage: I like my 'stache
Lokum Shilova: has it rezzed already :P
Eagle Heritage: chuckles
Pavig Lok: does anyone have a question they want relayed to the speakers in sl?
Iggyo Heritage: here comes Viv :)
Mel Rachael: yer
Eagle Heritage: yes, How many stars are in the sky over our head here in Heritage Key?
Iggyo Heritage: bunches
Scott Diener: chuckles...
Mel Rachael: im not countin lol
Iggyo Heritage: oodles
Eagle Heritage: heehee
Scott Diener: type in any questions you have...I will direct them to the group
Mel Rachael: ty lokum :P
Iggyo Heritage: Yeah, Pavig.. my Q is "what will it take for their faculty to try a VW in a class, like I've been doing for 2 years?"
Iggyo Heritage: jeez 150 million bucks. Glad LL didn't rely on my spending :)
Scott Diener: I spent that much on clothes
Eagle Heritage: laughs
Iggyo Heritage: Seriously, I have spent about $50 on content for our House of Usher build
Iggyo Heritage: and we paid a scripter for some content
Iggyo Heritage: another $100
Chimera Cosmos: What room are you in at Educause/Denver?
Chimera Cosmos: Gentle Heron is there and didn't know about this meeting
Chimera Cosmos: talking w/her at Metanomics in SL
Chimera Cosmos: "boooommmm" sound of my brain exploding!
Chimera Cosmos: Viv! Viv is here!
Viv Trafalgar: XD hiya!
Chimera Cosmos: :-)
Viv Trafalgar: Nooo Iggy is ours nao!
Scott Diener: the group is saying that students tend to find SL to be low-tech compared to other 3D games
Scott Diener: and that teaching staff find the learning curve to me too much
Iggyo Heritage: All my iggies are belong 2 u
Scott Diener: the scripting also requires a lot of support, so teaching staff can't always get their ideas realised
LT Heritage: the kids rated Steamfish "better than they thought it would be" ;)
Scott Diener: technical support also is needed for things like voice/audio/video
Viv Trafalgar: Yes Scott, there's a lot that infrastructure can to to mediate impressions like the one you experienced.
LT Heritage: thank goodness! Prad is here!
Iggyo Heritage: once they get on Desktop systems, and laptops not on wireless, they could see how well both SL and HK work
Prad Heritage: He is?
LT Heritage: :)
Iggyo Heritage: My class is doing what may be the first project in HK, to my knowledge
LT Heritage: or a wold in Prad's clothing
Lokum Shilova: no digging here Prad
Scott Diener: group thinks that having other educators to talk to who use these worlds is invaluable
Viv Trafalgar: I think it is Iggy - and an important one
Viv Trafalgar: I participate on SLED
Iggyo Heritage: they want more customization options here, but they love the content
Chimera Cosmos: Viv, did you do any of the work here?
Chimera Cosmos: can we send out snapshots by email from here?
Viv Trafalgar: Not in HK Chi, but in an educational game called Steamfish that just launched
Viv Trafalgar: you'll hear more about that soon
Chimera Cosmos: cool!
Viv Trafalgar: and I'm starting to do some work in HK
LT Heritage: snapshots to postcard email does not work in this viewer
Chimera Cosmos: can we go there from HK website?
Chimera Cosmos: or where?
Iggyo Heritage: Viv is helping with House of Usher in SL--going great work for my uni
Chimera Cosmos: Rezzable?
Chimera Cosmos: yay!
Chimera Cosmos: we need more creepy content heheh
LT Heritage: Steamfish is not open to the public, yet
Chimera Cosmos: phooey then :-)
Iggyo Heritage: yes?
Scott Diener: joe, please type into the text chat what you wanted to share about your class now?
Chimera Cosmos: I did the beta test here with Bettina
Viv Trafalgar: ah no it's way cool - YTouring, which has worked with Rezzable to include machinima in theater performances with schools
Chimera Cosmos: long time ago
Scott Diener: and everyone else please hold on chat while he is
Viv Trafalgar: is using Steamfish as an extension of the message
Iggyo Heritage: Okay, I'll type it here
Iggyo Heritage: ouch--some feedback there
Scott Diener: yes...feedback in SL
Chimera Cosmos: not for me--sound is fine
Iggyo Heritage: go figure
Chimera Cosmos: is this streamed to the web too?
Chimera Cosmos: some chance I'm getting sound from a website and can't find the tab LOL
Prad Heritage: yup
Iggyo Heritage: okies, I'll hold off for a sec
Iggyo Heritage: :)
Chimera Cosmos: can they see our Heritage Key chat?
Pavig Lok: ok the tab will be on the bottom right of your screen with little musical notes on it
Scott Diener: yes
Chimera Cosmos: ah
Iggyo Heritage: @Chimera, soon yes
Chimera Cosmos: then I'm def listening to a web stream
Iggyo Heritage: AJ's gonna blow up the chat win
Chimera Cosmos: have to find that tab before I switch!
Scott Diener: we are working to get audio questions from SL....
Iggyo Heritage: AJ's doing a great job in spite of all this
Iggyo Heritage: thanks, Scott
Scott Diener: we have a computer talking .... and stuttering
Scott Diener: lol
Iggyo Heritage: LOL
Lokum Shilova: hahahah
Scott Diener: Joe, please go ahead and share in chat your experience with teachingn in HK...
Iggyo Heritage: okay
Iggyo Heritage: I beta tested here
Iggyo Heritage: and decided to pick ONE part of HK
Iggyo Heritage: for a writing project
Iggyo Heritage: it's at: http://iggyssyllabus.pbworks.com/Saving-Isis
Iggyo Heritage: as I saw the room of murals
Iggyo Heritage: I thought about how Carter, with today's tools
Iggyo Heritage: might have not destroyed the mural of Isis
Iggyo Heritage: so I challenged the students
Iggyo Heritage: to come up with a multi-disciplinary solution
Iggyo Heritage: to the problem, as if they were Howard Carter
Iggyo Heritage: and blog that
Iggyo Heritage: they had to first do a tourist's tour of HK
Iggyo Heritage: this revealed
Iggyo Heritage: some technical probs
Iggyo Heritage: and also showed us about students :)
Iggyo Heritage: they want to use laptops and wireless for everything here
Iggyo Heritage: and both HK and SL suffer when you do that
Iggyo Heritage: it is, however, the salient Q in my opinion for VW developers who
Iggyo Heritage: want to attract edu clients
Iggyo Heritage: they have to run on low-end tech and slower connections
Iggyo Heritage: or my students WON'T stay when the semester ends
Iggyo Heritage: retention from my first three classes
Iggyo Heritage: that used SL
Iggyo Heritage: is about 0%
Iggyo Heritage: period
[Mummy's Curse gets Iggyo and I crash briefly]
Iggyo Heritage: Iggy in DA HOUSE
Viv Trafalgar: wb!
Iggyo Heritage: it's the Mummy's Curse again
Iggyo Heritage: yeah, I got my applause
Scott Diener: excellent Iggy...lots of nodding going on here relative to what you said
Iggyo Heritage: one kid said yesterday "Not all of us can afford Alienware desktop systems"
Scott Diener: a good question here: Are Educators more excited about VW than students?
Iggyo Heritage: yep
Scott Diener: lol...that is what I am on now Iggy (*blush)
Pavig Lok: blackboard gives me hives
Viv Trafalgar: As a visiting fellow this fall, I have noticed a couple of students coming in on their own time
Chimera Cosmos: Intellagirl's students seem plenty excited
Iggyo Heritage: they either fear them (non gamers) or think the graphics are lame (gamers)
Viv Trafalgar: they are graphic design and design engineering students and are fascinated
Chimera Cosmos: suspect it is our "operator error" in not engaging students!
Iggyo Heritage: oh, mine are excited NOW
Iggyo Heritage: but it took doing. Most of them went to Burning Life and LOVED it
Chimera Cosmos: good job Igg
Iggyo Heritage: thanks Chimera
Chimera Cosmos: good concept
Scott Diener: how so Iggy? how has that change taken place, given your 0% revisit
Iggyo Heritage: this class is different
Iggyo Heritage: I used a lot of one-on-one
Chimera Cosmos: do they use most of what they learn in a class? content even? or even remember it?
Iggyo Heritage: and started them @ edu sites
Chimera Cosmos: not sure we should beat ourselves up too much LOL
Iggyo Heritage: then got them into the larger world
Iggyo Heritage: still, after the class ends, they won't be back
Chimera Cosmos: and they won't use their chemistry either heheh
Iggyo Heritage: my students are 18-22, beautiful, mostly rich kids
Iggyo Heritage: they don't need avatars
Scott Diener: hahah
Iggyo Heritage: they live live like them already
Viv Trafalgar: what is the timeline you're evaluating on Iggy?
Chimera Cosmos: ours too - Wash U is kind of preppy in a midwest sort of way
Iggyo Heritage: but they get the idea of simulation for what they cannot do IRL
Scott Diener: getting ready to wrap this up...any last questions anyone wants to ask?
Iggyo Heritage: and *that* excites them
Viv Trafalgar: That's huge, actually
Scott Diener: (everyone is reading the chat, btw)
Iggyo Heritage: the Virtual Hallucinations sim at UC Davis was a show-stopper for them
Iggyo Heritage: that's okay--my students and I discussed this yesterday in class :)
Iggyo Heritage: I love them...they are lucky. And young.
Scott Diener: 17th of Nov Sl roundtable is being held in HK
Iggyo Heritage: @Viv--in terms of timeline? you mean for retention? If you mean for getting them to enjoy VWs--takes about a month
Iggyo Heritage: judging form this year and last fall
Iggyo Heritage: The few, the brave 14 :D
Viv Trafalgar: Thank you AJ!
Iggyo Heritage claps for AJ
Scott Diener: AJ says "Thanks!"
Chimera Cosmos: Yay! Say hi to the RL peeps!
Chimera Cosmos: Typist wishes she was there...
Iggyo Heritage wants a good steak from Denver
Scott Diener: I'll have one tonight and tell you how it was!
Lokum Shilova: ahhh no more food talk pass my dinner time
Viv Trafalgar: hee Lokum
Iggyo Heritage: open that packet of crisps, Lokum!
Lokum Shilova: its 9 pm in the office no lunch
Lokum Shilova: me starving
Mel Rachael: lol
LT Heritage: bah, you should charge them for delivery
Pavig Lok: mmm want food
Iggyo Heritage wants to be in London too...North Sea Fish Restaurant for fish & chips...not far from your offices
Iggyo Heritage: great fish
Lokum Shilova: kk great I cant eat anything fried makes me ill but I will take you to the restaurant Iggyo
Viv Trafalgar: oh boo. you need some good tikka masala Lokum, or curry
Iggyo Heritage: they can broil it I think
Lokum Shilova: Prad is talking about pizza
Iggyo Heritage: mmmmm Malabar Junction in London
Iggyo Heritage: I get to your town a lot
Lokum Shilova: :o and never come and visit us in the office
Iggyo Heritage: I will next time :D
Lokum Shilova: :)
Iggyo Heritage: didn't know y'all until this summer, and then I was in Yorkshire
Lokum Shilova: Yorkshire that must have been fun
Iggyo Heritage: oooh the Dales are great
Mel Rachael: yer
Iggyo Heritage: I hope the EDUCAUSE folks will consider other grids now
Iggyo Heritage: the future is multiple-grids
Scott Diener: yes...nods all around
Chimera Cosmos: Will any of that be on the Educause stream?
Chimera Cosmos: sorry - multitasking again :-)
Pavig Lok: that stuff won't take long - we've been developing a multi grid inventory solution. not far off a point when opensims will be a lot more like sl in that
Chimera Cosmos: VW stuff?
Iggyo Heritage: @Pavig, remember us little peeps when that makes you RICH
Chimera Cosmos waves to Olivia!
Chimera Cosmos: (shecan't see me probably) LOL
Iggyo Heritage waves to Olivia and says "Ron Glass is alive in Heritage Key"
Pavig Lok: if you get rich first iggy.. remmember me lol
Viv Trafalgar: yeah iggy!
Lokum Shilova: lol
Mel Rachael: gtg now ppl tlk l8r byee
Iggyo Heritage: heh--seriously. The first company to come up with an inter-grid inventory solution will be famous
Iggyo Heritage: tc Mel
Lokum Shilova: bye mel
Mel Rachael: byee
Scott Diener: we are Iggy
Scott Diener: we are each running inventory servers...but you carry inventory from one grid node to the next
Iggyo Heritage: get ready to be very wealthy, Scott...no kidding
Scott Diener: but if you build in a different node thatn your home node, the inventory stays there
Scott Diener: it does work...
Scott Diener: wealth would be appreciated....
Heritage Key: ok, one window less... ciao
Pavig Lok: yeah we got that too - works pretty well, though you arrive as ruth and have to dress again.. we haven't nailed that
Viv Trafalgar: ciao!
Eagle Heritage: Claps for Scott!
Lokum Shilova: wow thats great
Iggyo Heritage applauds Scott
Scott Diener: applauds everyone there....thanks for being inworld!!
Lokum Shilova: thks Scott and Iggyo
Iggyo Heritage: Has Rezzable announced the inventory product officially?
Viv Trafalgar: happy to be here - this is a great crossworlds meeting
Pavig Lok: the biggest problem with opensim still is everyones solving these problems individually... takes a while to wind them back into the core
Iggyo Heritage wants to scoop Hamlet Au on that one
Viv Trafalgar: ahahahaha
LT Heritage: what? lol...
Lokum Shilova: do we know if anyone else wanted to log in
Pavig Lok: nah i don't think so... we're just using it to manage our several grids
Lokum Shilova: but had problems
Scott Diener: Okay everyone, I am heading for lunch......:-)
Eagle Heritage: waves
LT Heritage: thanks scott
Iggyo Heritage: gotcha. Wait for Prokofy Neva to go wild when you announce it
Iggyo Heritage: she'll call you technocommies
Iggyo Heritage: :D
Lokum Shilova: hahahah you have seen the tshirt
LT Heritage: he does that when we rez a cube
Lokum Shilova: we got printed for Jon's birthday
Pavig Lok: prokofy is like advertising lol
Iggyo Heritage: heehee
Lokum Shilova: Prok has been quiet lately
Chimera Cosmos: crashed!
Pavig Lok: been buried in the linden forums which is why haven't seen him
Chimera Cosmos: just tweeted a snapshot of us in Heritage Key - see ldinstl_chimera - and I'm off to RL!
Iggyo Heritage: Prok just moved on to reply to every post at the LL blog
Chimera Cosmos: bye akk!
Lokum Shilova: :)
Chimera Cosmos: akk -> all
Chimera Cosmos: :-)
Chimera Cosmos: cya!
Iggyo Heritage: heehee Fred from Richmond is meeting AJ IRL :)
Iggyo Heritage waves at Fred
LT Heritage: ok- I have a walkthrough with Riker on stonehenge... I'm out too
Lokum Shilova: night everyone drags Prad out of the office for some food
Iggyo Heritage: cya Chimera
LT Heritage: thanks all, Iggy, Lokum :)
Iggyo Heritage: I'll log now too
Lokum Shilova: thks everyone
Pavig Lok: aieee yeah i'll join you for that then i gotta.... err stuff
Pavig Lok: but i desperately need to ake a coffee first
LT Heritage: ok-builder's grid
Iggyo Heritage: thanks to all of you--get food, Lokum!