Transcript of September 1, 2009 Second Life Roundtable Discussion
Topic: Guest Speaker Tom Boellstorff (SL: Tom Bukowski), Author of Coming of Age in Second Life
(http://www.amazon.com/Coming-Age-Second-Life-Anthropologist/dp/0691135282/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1236007862&sr=8-1)
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AJ Brooks: Hi everyone, and welcome to this weeks SL Education Roundtable.
AJ Brooks: These meetings are made possible by the Office of Information Technology at Montclair State University.
AJ Brooks: We meet here each week at 2:30pm SLT for an hour.
Tom Bukowski: Wow - great crowd!
AJ Brooks: The SL Education Roundtable is a forum to educate and inform the community about issues that are important and relevant to education.
AJ Brooks: The views and opinions of any of our special guests or visitors do not necessarily represent those who volunteer or organize these meetings, or of
AJ Brooks: Montclair State University, the College of Humanities and Social Sciences, or Office of Information Technology at Montclair State.
AJ Brooks: Normally our meetings are roundtable in style.
AJ Brooks: We feature a specific theme and everyone sits around our magic expanding roundtable and we all contribute, using text chat.
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: 64 on the Sim already
AJ Brooks: Today is our Special 1st of the Month meeting, when we feature a particular person or panel of people.
Tom Bukowski: Go to Preferences > Graphics > and turn "Draw Distance" down to 64 - that will help with the lag, folks
Zotarah Shepherd: Wow 65 people here!
AJ Brooks: For these Special First of the Month Meeting the guest(s) and I use voice chat. This means that you need to have your voice chat on.
Wena Merlin: how can you count the people here?
Jarrad Voom: 66
Zotarah Shepherd: On the Map
Margaret Michalski: IF you are having trouble please IM me
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Map tool gives you the count
Wena Merlin: how do you know?
Dagmar Kojishi: Time dilation down to .05!
Tom Bukowski: Education, Wena, lol
Marc Rexen: All seats taken, folks will have to sit on others...get friendly time...:)
AJ Brooks: There are help signs along the back wall of the Amphitheater.
AJ Brooks: If you are still having problems, please * IM * MARGARET MICHALSKI for assistance.
Ignatius Onomatopoeia grins at Tom's answer
AJ Brooks: It is very important that you keep your mic muted during the meeting.
AJ Brooks: If you have a question for our guest, please IM me directly and, time and subject permitting, it will get addressed.
AJ Brooks: The local chat is available as a back channel and I encourage everyone to use that to comment. The local chat can go by rather quickly
AJ Brooks: That is why its important that you IM your questions directly to me.
AJ Brooks: As a hint, it is better to have "local chat" open for these meetings, it will help you follow the conversation better.
Olivia Hotshot: i am going to back channel on Twitter.
lynsey Fleury: hi Pathfinder:)
AJ Brooks: You can find local chat by clicking COMMUNICATE in the bottom navigation bar and you'll find LOCAL CHAT as one of the tabs at the bottom of the Communicate window.
AJ Brooks: This is a public meeting, so we do keep a transcript of what is said in local chat.
Kali Pizzaro: hi pathfinder
AJ Brooks: For the convenience of those unable to use voice, and for the history of the chat transcript, we do try to have transcribers.
Tom Bukowski: Another thing you can do to slow lag is look up at the sky - that gives your computer far fewer objects to rez
AJ Brooks: For today's meeting Esme Qunhua and Hattie Haystack will be capturing the essences of what Tom and I are saying in voice into text.
AJ Brooks: For a copy of transcripts, please visit http://www.virtualworldsedu.info/slroundtable/
AJ Brooks: Special thanks to our resident scribe, Iggy Onomatopoeia, for taking care of the transcripts.
AJ Brooks: If you've not seen them, you should check the transcripts out - they are a great information asset.
AJ Brooks: Information on FUTURE MEETINGS is available from the notecard giver on the West wall of the Amphitheater.
AJ Brooks: We have an amazing lineup of meetings for you, with topics set (subject to change) between now and the end of December.
Ahlan Oh: which way is west?
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Esme Qunhua: Ahlan open your mini map and you will see that west is to your left
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Ahlan Oh: Thanks, Esme.
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Esme Qunhua: Ahlan sorry your right
AJ Brooks: Thanks to Olivia Hotshot for putting together a Flickr group for the SLER. I encourage everyone to join the group and to take pictures from our meeting and add them to the group. Its a great way to show, and grow, our community.
Kali Pizzaro: Go Olivia
Katie Fenstalker: Yay Olivia!
Ahlan Oh: Esme: I'm looking up at the sky..... :-)
Margaret Michalski: If anyone is still having trouble please let me know.
AJ Brooks: On the East side of the amphitheater you will find a landmark and URL giver with more information on the Flickr stream.
Olivia Hotshot waves to crowd and asks everyone to take pics and join in the fun!
Tom Bukowski forgot to do his hair before coming today...
AJ Brooks: For those of you who do not know me, I am AJ Kelton, Director of Emerging Instructional Technology
AJ Brooks: for the College of Humanities and Social Sciences at Montclair State University
Birdie Newcomb: looks fine Tom
AJ Brooks: We're located in northern New Jersey, not far from NYC.
Tom Bukowski: right!
Tom Bukowski: Thank you Birdie lol
AJ Brooks: Our very special guest today it Tom Boellstorff (SL: Tom Bukowski),
AJ Brooks: author of the fascinating anthropological ethnography "Coming of Age in Second Life"
Oliver Szondi: :D looks good. im very interested in this.
Mimi Muircastle: clap, clap!!!
AJ Brooks: Tom, thanks for joining us. It is a pleasure to have you as a guest.
AJ Brooks: I really enjoyed the book and look forward to our discussion over the next hour.
Jarrad Voom: No self introductions today.
Esme Qunhua: Tom B.: Thank you for inviting me
Birdie Newcomb: you've got static Tom
Hattie Haystack: AJ - start off with who Tom Boellstorff is
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: 75 on the sim now
Esme Qunhua: Tom B.: tells about self
Esme Qunhua: Tom B.: I'm a taurus from midwest, lived in CA for long time
Katie Fenstalker: Yes, Iggy!
Esme Qunhua: Tom B.: studied at Stanford
Esme Qunhua: Tom B.: Most of research has been about Indonesia.
Esme Qunhua: Tom B.: has always been into technology though not a techy
Birdie Newcomb: its gone!
Esme Qunhua: Tom B.: grew up on vid games
AJ Brooks: When you first decided to begin this research, did you find SL and decided to do research here or did you first decide to do virtual world research and choose SL as the venue?
Hattie Haystack: AJ: so when you first decided to begin this research, did you begin virtual world research and then choose SL?
Birdie Newcomb: nope, back again
Esme Qunhua: Tom B.: I decided I wanted to look at VWs and first looked at Sims on line
Birdie Newcomb: Hey, now it's gone again
Katie Fenstalker: better less static.
Esme Qunhua: Tom B.: but got interested in the open-endedness of SL
Birdie Newcomb: back again
Esme Qunhua: Tom B.: He wanted to try to replicate the methods he used in Indonesia and couldn't do that in a gamelike VW
AJ Brooks: Who was your audience for this book?
Bella Yan: Tom - your mic is really acting up
Esme Qunhua: Tom B.: When he started there were only about 200 pl in sl at a time
Dagmar Kojishi: / Tom, if you're on a laptop, it's possible your external mic and your internal mic are fighting. You might want to unplug the external.
Dagmar Kojishi: / GMTA.
Esme Qunhua: Tom B.: I'm messing with my mic
Tom Bukowski: That didn't work lol
Gwenette Writer: Patience is a virtue haha wish i had more:)
Dusty Artaud: silence - time for a quick joke?
Marc Rexen: Recycle sound in Preferences.
Ahlan Oh: in preferences
Tom Bukowski: Aj tp me
Oliver Szondi: Vivox server?
Gwenette Writer: Patience OR virtues ahha
Tom Bukowski: okay, I'm going to try relogging with the external mike - sorry
Eliasdehart Sixpence: where's the floor manager to run over with another mic? :)
Katie Fenstalker: take your time!
CathyWyo1 Haystack: haha
Ahlan Oh: Patience for sale. come to the back of the hall.
Dusty Artaud: Iggy know any jokes?
Gwenette Writer: hahahahahah
Pathfinder Linden: lol
Gwenette Writer: is it??
Gwenette Writer: ahhaha
Ahlan Oh: AJ, can you sing??
CathyWyo1 Haystack: He is from Neb so it a good person!
Gwenette Writer: we could all turn on our mics and sing??
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: How many avatars does it take to screw in a lightbulb?
Katie Fenstalker: this is what handouts are for!
Grey Breil: If listeners turn down their own volume, your brain fills in the gaps created by the static. Low-tech, high-organic solution!
Kali Pizzaro: ohoh
Hattie Haystack: AJ: bear with us while we work out the technical problem otherwise we will revert to text chat
Esme Qunhua: worse than tom's static?
Wena Merlin: Hi Eliasdehart, how do you make your chat green??
Gwenette Writer: oh weDOI!!
Grey Breil: AJ: another good example for the white paper!
Margaret Michalski: If anyone can not hear AJ please let me know.
Oliver Szondi: Tech Fails when you need it most. meh.
Hattie Haystack: lol
Ahlan Oh: That static is better if you reposition your SL 'camera'
Olivia Hotshot: AJ, i am back channeling to Twitter - hash tag - #SLER
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: my hearing is already shot
CathyWyo1 Haystack: halllooo
Esme Qunhua: much better
Bella Yan: kind of a Darth Vader effect
Gwenette Writer: operatic
Zola Zsun: yes
Oliver Szondi: ill be back
Aster Brun: yes
Zola Zsun: better
Margaret Michalski: but it is fine
Zola Zsun: not bad
CathyWyo1 Haystack: this is better
Oliver Szondi: need to save the world :(
Hattie Haystack: static is better but the echo is bad
Ahlan Oh: turn down GAIN
xstorm Radek: sounds like a soundblaster card problem
CathyWyo1 Haystack: saving the world one tweet at a time
Hattie Haystack: AJ: the audience for the book
Ahlan Oh: lol
Arawn Spitteler tardily interjects: I prefer late jokes to quick ones. Make the echo sound like it belongs.
Gwenette Writer: us:)
Katie Fenstalker: better!
Ahlan Oh: here's a scissors
Jarrad Voom: god idea
Zotarah Shepherd: Use headset not speakers is best when talking so you do not get echo.
Esme Qunhua: Tom B.: turning down mic.
Jarrad Voom: good idea
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: AJ's Logitech headset saved me
Zdenek Buchsbaum: better
Adra Letov: better
Esme Qunhua: Tom B.: how's that
Kali Pizzaro: better
Dusty Artaud: great
Esme Qunhua: Tom B.: That's how SL is work with what you have
Gwenette Writer: also better if we turn him down a bit in Active Speaker
Esme Qunhua: Tom B.: Two main audiences in mind for my book
Esme Qunhua: Tom B.: 1) Anthropologists are often proud to be non techy
Esme Qunhua: Tom B.: I wanted them to take VWs seriously
Esme Qunhua: Tom B.: 2) people who use sl, my friends who use it.
Esme Qunhua: Tom B.: to explore some of the bigger patterns - not the controversies
Katie Fenstalker: anthro of tech too.
Gwenette Writer: back chat:)
Esme Qunhua: Tom B.: the stuff no one notices to look at the little things like lag and mics and...
AJ Brooks: How has your field reacted or responded to this?
Hattie Haystack: AJ: I'll get to the content in a min, but how has your field reacted to this?
Esme Qunhua: Tom B.: I was a little unfair, not all anthros are afraid of tech,
Esme Qunhua: Tom B.: But all grants I wrote for this project were denied.
Esme Qunhua: Tom B.: But the interest is great among students and even among anthropologiests
Katie Fenstalker: anthro of virtual worlds a new thing last 2 yrs....
Oliver Szondi knows tom's pain when it comes to getting grants for educational items in online worlds.
Esme Qunhua: Tom B.: It is helping to show that we don't have to only use anthro to explore foreign small communities but that sl can help us look at other aspects of culture
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: 81 on the Sim
Hattie Haystack: AJ: skipping topics a little...I noticed that you used Wikipedia
AJ Brooks: I noticed that you use wikipedia a great deal in citing sources. Some question the use of Wikipedia as a credible source. I see the usefulness of Wikipedia but I'm interested in what
your thoughts are on this?
AJ Brooks: agreed
AJ Brooks: agreed again
Esme Qunhua: Tom B.: I actually use wikip for specific things, not the most referenced source.
Katie Fenstalker: just did stuff on Wikipedia in class today -- how to read the history and discussion tabs. Aso discussed crowdsourcing.
Tom Bukowski: Hunt the Wumpus
Esme Qunhua: Tom B.: Wikip does use peer review, and it is great for technology issues.
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: wooo I remember it! I'm ancient :)
Kali Pizzaro: hehe
Dagmar Kojishi: I had one of those on a TI 99/4A!
Esme Qunhua: Tom B.:If you want to learn about this game Wikip is the best source.
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: they played it in the terminal cluster at Virginia in the late 70s
Kali Pizzaro: woooooooo
Katie Fenstalker: trace how knowledge becomes authoritative.
Tom Bukowski: right
Gwenette Writer: best documentation of early virtual worlds is ONLY available on Wikipedia
Esme Qunhua: Tom B.: I don't use it for theory.
Hattie Haystack: AJ: really pushed ppl away from wikipedia cuz they don't know when it's a credible source
Tom Bukowski: right
Gwenette Writer: it can guide you well tho
Hattie Haystack: AJ: Wikipedia can be a good source, but not a reliable academic source
Tom Bukowski: ah!
Tom Bukowski: Oh yes
Zotarah Shepherd: I like to use Wikipedia to find other sources. Then I go to those.
Katie Fenstalker: use it for alternative knowledges as they become dispersed.
Tom Bukowski: Not at all!
Hattie Haystack: AJ: things are changing and Wikipedia is becoming more useful
Tom Bukowski: I can remind people about things in the book
AJ Brooks: In Chapter 1 you outline the three goals for this book. Can you share and explain those?
Gwenette Writer: hahahah
Katie Fenstalker: lol
Hattie Haystack: lol
Kali Pizzaro: lol
Katie Fenstalker: give him a cue AJ
Irix Ladybird: :)
Gwenette Writer: typical student wants a review haha
Esme Qunhua: Tom B.: Remind me what they are.
Dagmar Kojishi: lol
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: LOL
Hattie Haystack: AJ: looking for the page number for the goals
Tom Bukowski: DId I lose 10 points?
Gwenette Writer: nahh we all do that AJ:)
Profdan Netizen: No, AJ did.
AJ Brooks: Since it is such an important aspect of the book, do you want to briefly explain techne?
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: did that today in class, in fact :)
Gwenette Writer: spell that pls??
Tom Bukowski: techne
Esme Qunhua: Tom B.: I found the three things on page 24
Esme Qunhua: Before I forget...
Gwenette Writer: coolness thanks:)
Margaret Michalski: Thanks!
Olivia Hotshot: Thank you!
Esme Qunhua: Tom B.: I gave you chapter 1 as a freebie.
CathyWyo1 Haystack: great
Zotarah Shepherd: Thanks!
Dagmar Kojishi: Oh, wow.
TT Quandry: wow
Katie Fenstalker: want inworld version!
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: poor cube--looks like we are trying to blast it :)
Object: Unable to give inventory: 'No item named 'object or notecard or script name here'.'.
Esme Qunhua: Tom B.: You can get it from my site but it is fun in sl as it is a book with pages you can turn.
Object: Unable to give inventory: 'No item named 'object or notecard or script name here'.'.
Margaret Michalski: Please IM me if you would like it
Object: Unable to give inventory: 'No item named 'object or notecard or script name here'.'.
Margaret Michalski: it would be easier due to lag
Esme Qunhua: Tom B.: 3 goals 1) what is SL like
Arawn Spitteler: Was that the Sojourner, or The Sojourner?
AJ Brooks: i'm trying to make it available in an object here in front - give me a few minutes
Dagmar Kojishi: The Sojourner.
Dagmar Kojishi: Cap T.
Chimera Cosmos: probably should have folks who DON
Chimera Cosmos: 'T want it to IM
Esme Qunhua: Tom B.: 2) you can use the tools of anthro in VWs
Chimera Cosmos: LOL
Tom Bukowski: techne
Wena Merlin: test
Tom Bukowski: techne and episteme
Esme Qunhua: Tom B.: 3) I missed (esme)
Esme Qunhua: Tom B.: Techne = craft
Esme Qunhua: Tom B.: From Greek Fire.
Esme Qunhua: Tom B.: and is the root of technology
AJ Brooks: the plywood box up front will now give you a copy of the object Tom referred to - the first chapter of his book
Gwenette Writer: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Techne
Esme Qunhua: Tom B.: the creation opportunities in SL seemed to fit with Techne
Katie Fenstalker: craft nice for anthro too.....
Tom Bukowski: My website:
Tom Bukowski: http://www.anthro.uci.edu/faculty_bios/boellstorff/boellstorff.php
Esme Qunhua: Tom B.: I try to make knowledge but what if I try to make craft
Hattie Haystack: AJ: thank you
Enelya Pevensey: thank you!
Olivia Hotshot: Thanks Tom!
Tom Bukowski: You're welcome!
Margaret Michalski: IF anyone else would like one please let me know
Tom Bukowski: I can stay late - that's fine
Hattie Haystack: AJ: normally we end at 3:30 but we might run over a little due to the late start
Katie Fenstalker: thanks for this Tom.
Zotarah Shepherd: Thanks AJ
Arawn Spitteler: The seeking of Episteme is a Techne
AJ Brooks: On pg 19 you talk about how critical the gap is between virtual and actual, can you talk about that a bit?
Tom Bukowski: I'm just looking at the sky and not moving so my mike hopefully doesn't mess up again!
Gwenette Writer: http://scholar.lib.vt.edu/ejournals/SPT/spt.html "Techne: Research in Philosophy and Technology SPT Logo"
Current Editor-in-Chief:
Joseph C. Pitt, Virginia Tech INTERESTING reads:)
CathyWyo1 Haystack: Good Idea
Tom Bukowski: actual world
Esme Qunhua: Tom B.: I never use the terms RW or RL in opposition to SL
Gwenette Writer: it is all us
Katie Fenstalker: first world
Esme Qunhua: Tom B.: RW assumes we don't have technology in it.
Katie Fenstalker: all us, at different degrees of resolution and detail.
Esme Qunhua: Tom B.: I wanted to take SL seriously as a real place where real things happen
Arawn Spitteler describes First Lag
Gwenette Writer: umm sounds like first life hahah
Pathfinder Linden thinks about how reality is made up of both electrons and atoms, so it's all "real"
Esme Qunhua: Tom B.: People love it when they see the VW shaping the Actual World
Katie Fenstalker: like seeing first world person as avatar too....
Esme Qunhua: Tom B.: Some say that there is nothing new in VWs same as FW not true. I want to show that each shapes the other.
lynsey Fleury: have to go alas, too late for me, thanks Aj, thank you Tom:)
Esme Qunhua: Tom B.: I know that my avatar is not the same - there is an important gap - but they each inform the other.
Profdan Netizen: Unless you keep crashing!
Esme Qunhua: Tom B.: gap not chasm
Tom Bukowski: That's okay lol
Katie Fenstalker: not the same, but articulated together.
Hattie Haystack: AJ: at one point towards the end...the VW you can log off of but the AW you can't
Tom Bukowski: That's based on a Philip K. Dick quote of course
xstorm Radek: Sleep ?
Gwenette Writer: you can recreate also rebirth haha
Chimera Cosmos: LOL
Dagmar Kojishi: Must get to another meeting. Thanks, AJ and Tom!
Tom Bukowski: Np, cu Dagmar!
Hattie Haystack: AJ: when you visit Indonesia, clearly you are not Indonesian. In SL, unless one tells outright ppl wouldn't know that you are a researcher unless you tell them
AJ Brooks: When you visit Indonesia, you clearly cannot "pass" as an Indonesian - you stand out, it is clear you are an "other" when you are doing your research there. This seems true for most ethnographic work of this nature. But in SL, unless you tell people outright, which you did, and made clear in your profile, people would not know you were a researcher. You didn't stand out as an "other", no matter what form, shape, gender, or species you were at the time. How did this impact your work and what impact does this have on the idea of "native"?
Esme Qunhua: Tom B.: That's a great ?
Profdan Netizen: Intriguing question, AJ.
Arawn Spitteler wonders if Potekin Village would count as a Virtual World Experience
Mimi Muircastle: awesome ques. AJ - thanks :)
Esme Qunhua: Tom B.: People know I am not indonesian, but I am fluent enough that people may think that I am mixed race.
Gwenette Writer: greybeard haha
Esme Qunhua: Tom B.: but they know I am not native.
Tom Bukowski: Bronislaw Malinowski
Esme Qunhua: Tom B.: But here, I am one of the oldest residents
AJ Brooks nods
Tom Bukowski: Franz Boas
Chimera Cosmos: Tom Rez Date: 6/3/04 for those who can't click. :-)
Esme Qunhua: Malinowski thought that you had to have a separation a gap between the observer and the native.
Esme Qunhua: Boas did not believe that
Tom Bukowski: Matti Bunzl
Esme Qunhua: Different traditions in anthropology
Tom Bukowski: Mei Zhan
Katie Fenstalker: non-colonial anthro.
Esme Qunhua: Now it is more typical that you can study your own culture.
Katie Fenstalker: postcolonial, posthumanities.
Tom Bukowski: Lila Abu-Lughod
Esme Qunhua: Tom B.: Lughod is Egyptian and she studies Egypt.
Hattie Haystack: AJ: you also end your book with a quote from Malinowski
Esme Qunhua: Tom B.: I diverge from Malinowski on this issue and believe there is much to learn by exploring our own ppl.
Tom Bukowski: Who hooo!!!!!
Hattie Haystack: AJ: shifting away a little...on June 3rd you celebrated your 5th Rez day!
Profdan Netizen: Give the man a cane!
AJ Brooks: On June 3rd you celebrated your 5th Rez Day in SL. Many in attendance today, and those that will read the transcript later on, are much "younger" - what advice can you give folks?
Esme Qunhua: Tom B.: Advice about what?
Chimera Cosmos: Any Class of 2003 here? :-)
Hattie Haystack: AJ: many ppl are much, much younger in SL. From the perspective of others, what advice can you give folks about...intentionally left it open
Gwenette Writer: what would be interesting is if we had a odometer so to speak not just number of days since birth but number of actual hours inworld:)
Chimera Cosmos: *waves*
Esme Qunhua: Tom B.: One thing, this is a big crowd, I see so many people I know here, would love to hear from all of you, but...
Esme Qunhua: One thing I think VWs are like the web in 1992
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: good metaphor--we are still applying an older technology's habits to SL and VWs
Gwenette Writer: yes by all means lets have rows of chairs in our sl classrooms ahhahah
Esme Qunhua: Tom B.: ppl are just putting up flat text pages.
AJ Brooks nods
Katie Fenstalker: open to the possible....
Esme Qunhua: Tom B.: we are still in that stage when we don't know what is possible here.
Mimi Muircastle: but not AJ with his Theorist project :)
Gwenette Writer: wheeeee
Gwenette Writer: hahahahahhaa
Chimera Cosmos: kewl
Esme Qunhua: Tom B.: I was once asked to teach a group of SL "children" (not a sexual group)
Kali Pizzaro: oh you are so hip Chimera hehe
Kali Pizzaro: (kewl)
Chimera Cosmos: (nope--have kids who are kewl) LOL
Gwenette Writer: because they WANTED to SAY it hahaah
Kali Pizzaro: hehe
Esme Qunhua: Tom B.: 20 sl kids (rp) I set out to teach them something they didn't know - indonesean
Zotarah Shepherd: Wow what a great observation!
Esme Qunhua: Tom B.: they were playful and by the end they were speaking indoneasian in a way Adults don't usually learn.
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Exactly--VWs as a transformative technology
Gwenette Writer: a circle of fairies in a hidden gully classroom:))
Esme Qunhua: Tom B.: did RP help them learn.
Mimi Muircastle: yes, it is in so many ways, Iggy
Esme Qunhua: Tom B.: Are there creative new ways to approach teaching.
Profdan Netizen: exactly so
Mimi Muircastle: there need to be new ways to teach - !!!!
Gwenette Writer: sl rawwwwks that is the bottom line haha
Profdan Netizen: took 15 min to download a picture in 1995.
Katie Fenstalker: not a platform or delivery system -- but another cognitive environment for all kinds of knowledge work.
CathyWyo1 Haystack: yes!!!
Esme Qunhua: Tom B.: The things we have now were not technologically impossible in 1992 (twitter) ...
Zola Zsun: yes true
Esme Qunhua: Tom B.: It was a problem of creativity.
CathyWyo1 Haystack: open source and collaboration is the key1!!
Katie Fenstalker: also an issue of experience in alternative cognitions.
Hattie Haystack: AJ: I enjoyed reading the entire book!
CathyWyo1 Haystack: people working together creates synergy!!
Esme Qunhua: Tom B.: My tip is to explore creativity - we have just scratched the surface.
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Remember pre-Internet Bulletin Board Systems? MOOs? We just had to wait until someone with capital took them to the next stage.
Esme Qunhua: Tom B.: be imaginative
Gwenette Writer: the more we share the less we have to reinvent the wheel and the mor e NEW things/ideas/relationships we can create:)
Hattie Haystack: AJ: now to something from the book...example of ethnographic research and got posted to web that became problematic
CathyWyo1 Haystack: right on Gwennette
Hattie Haystack: AJ: many educators will give assignments to students to interact with residents
Hattie Haystack: AJ: any tips/ advice?
AJ Brooks: Many educators will give assignments to students to interact with residents. What are your suggestions to avoid complications, like those you mention in the book, whereby students publish things to blogs or on a wiki that "out" or implicate residents?
Esme Qunhua: Tom B.: I have several tips.
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: really need that info...happened last year but the writers went back for permissions or they didn't publish
Esme Qunhua: Tom B.: about research
Katie Fenstalker: want to see that.
Esme Qunhua: Tom B.: I would be happy to email my IRB proposal for ethical issues.
AJ Brooks: that would be awesome since I was going to ask for it anyway
Olivia Hotshot: Excellent conflict - more interesting than anything.
Esme Qunhua: Tom B.: but when students are working and no IRB is involved...
Katie Fenstalker: a lib here AJ for IRB review ideas and notes?
Esme Qunhua: Tom B.: you want to make sure that you don't use screen names
Mimi Muircastle: that would be great Katie F.
Esme Qunhua: Tom B.: because people's screen names are important to them and are identifiable
Esme Qunhua: Tom B.: You change the name of the location
Katie Fenstalker: what about people who are public in both worlds and say so?
Esme Qunhua: Tom B.: and you change the details.
Gwenette Writer: transparency is common here in the field of education I notice
Katie Fenstalker: good pt.
Esme Qunhua: Tom B.: When people have a public persona in SL and FL they give up some of their anonymity.
CathyWyo1 Haystack: make sure you are not violating the terms of service of the virtual world
Esme Qunhua: Tom B.: But it depends on the context.
Esme Qunhua: Tom B.: in a public environment vs a private interview.
Katie Fenstalker: ask their permission too.
Esme Qunhua: Tom B.: But there are gray areas - err on the side of protecting ppls identities.
Eliasdehart Sixpence: what about a Linden for example?
Esme Qunhua: Tom B.: I have examples of consent forms I use.
Gwenette Writer: exactly
Esme Qunhua: Tom B.: If it is a Linden who is doing something on off hours, or doesn't need to be identified as a specific Linden - try to protect them.
Esme Qunhua: Tom B.: When you reveal a person you reveal many people around them.
Gwenette Writer: tabloid weirdness ahahha
Mimi Muircastle: thank you for making that point Tom about revealing others when you are revealed
Zotarah Shepherd: Sometimes they want to be cited and sometimes you have to cite your real sources.
Esme Qunhua: Tom B.: There is so much celebrity and tabloid approach, that it is good for us to research the more normal, less celebrity, broader patterns.
Zotarah Shepherd: Good point.
Tom Bukowski: The Gay Archipelago
Gwenette Writer: anonymity creates better opportunity to see patterns also - assumptions about known personalities fall away
Tom Bukowski: 2005
Chimera Cosmos: wow
Esme Qunhua: Tom B.: Even if they say they want to be cited, I ask them permission to not use it, because they don't know where it will end up.
Katie Fenstalker: congrats.
Profdan Netizen: And probably already are doing it.
Gwenette Writer: hahaha write your own and be a star:))
Esme Qunhua: Tom B.: A book I wrote 5 years ago in English, Indonesians said oh you can use my name. This year it was translated into Indonesia. Who would have known.
Tom Bukowski: NOOOOOOO
xstorm Radek: *GIGGLES* :)~~~~
Chimera Cosmos: wooooo
Gwenette Writer: DrAAAAAma
AJ Brooks: Please remember to IM me with any questions you might have for Tom. I already have a couple and will get to them.
Enelya Pevensey: lol! really? Where?
Hattie Haystack: AJ: there isn't any drama in SL! :)
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: no more drama than in academia, to be sure
Chimera Cosmos: /looks under seat for drama...
Mimi Muircastle: it is all around you Chimera :) cloud like
Enelya Pevensey: yes! please!
Aster Brun: hear hear
Profdan Netizen: That would be cool.
Chimera Cosmos breathes in the cloud and is very afraid...
Katie Fenstalker: thanks for coming and volunteering!
Esme Qunhua: Tom B.: I am happy to come back and do another meeting, round 2.
Hattie Haystack: AJ: we will get to questions that have been IM'd
Mimi Muircastle: be brave :)
Kali Pizzaro: fab Tom thanks
Tom Bukowski: And that way people can read chapter 1 of my book as the freebie!
Mimi Muircastle: yes, Round 2 with perfect sound or chat!!!!!
Hattie Haystack: AJ: we do this format once a month, but normally have a huge roundtable
Tom Bukowski: Sure!
Katie Fenstalker: nice idea roundtable!
Chimera Cosmos: yay!
Irix Ladybird: great idea!!!
Esme Qunhua: Esme says YAY!
Hattie Haystack: AJ: I will take you up on your offer to come back
CathyWyo1 Haystack: yay!
Katie Fenstalker: interact and read.
Arawn Spitteler: Revolt In Th Desert, by T.E.Lawrence, mentions many arabs by name, who might now be reading translations.
Zotarah Shepherd: Yay!
Grinn Pidgeon: thank you very much
Jarrad Voom: yes please
Zola Zsun: yay
Olivia Hotshot: 68 in the sim at the moment - very popular indeed.
Hattie Haystack: AJ: I will have to look at the schedule and we can work something out
Tom Bukowski: We still have 15 mins today
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: could come back with one or two of my students' Qs
mgfreitas Barcelos: I enjoyed it and have learned good things.
Tom Bukowski: okay Ignatius
Ahlan Oh: Maybe for some future Roundtable, we could all try to solve a technical problem, like we did today. ;-)
AJ Brooks: You spend some time talking abut "personhood" and the issues of Alts is discussed here in the SLER group every few months. How do alts fit into the personhood concept and are they important or escapist?
Gwenette Writer: functional tools
Esme Qunhua: Tom B.: Personhood: Alts is a very interesting issue
Esme Qunhua: Tom B.: Much in SL is not that different. Big controversies in SL often show up in the Physical World
Chimera Cosmos: yes, but somehow folks judge those things differently--don't notice that it's just as prevalent or more so in the outer world
Gwenette Writer: Tom: embodiment by choice
Esme Qunhua: Tom B.: But embodiment is very different - dragons, alts, others using my body
Zotarah Shepherd: My alts are just different parts of my personality. I have learned so much from having alts.
Gwenette Writer: and you can be here as more than one being at the SAME time hahaha
Kali Pizzaro: yep
Esme Qunhua: Tom B.: chosen, changes, multiple 3)ways of embodiment in sl
Kali Pizzaro: my alt is a patient (male)
Chimera Cosmos: not legally anyhow, or easily LOL
Kali Pizzaro: for teaching
Katie Fenstalker: distributed personhood.... across worlds.
Wena Merlin: what are alts??
Gwenette Writer: ahah Katie:)
Tom Bukowski: alts = alternative avatar
Esme Qunhua: Tom B.: While I change my clothes, it is not the same as ALTs
Wena Merlin: thanks
Pathfinder Linden: my alt was in beta, and is a hermit. :P
Wena Merlin: thanks
Zotarah Shepherd: Different accounts
AJ Brooks: lol @ pathfinder
Mimi Muircastle: lol, @Pathfinder
Esme Qunhua: Tom B.: you can even operate two alts at once.
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: One of my ALTs, Roderick, is here to record the chat in case I crash :)
Zotarah Shepherd: So the name is different.
Esme Qunhua: Tom B.: some don't have alts.
Gwenette Writer: you can date yourself ahah folks are sure Kennesaw and I are lovers haha
Esme Qunhua: Tom B.: but usually when we have them - we do different things with them
Pathfinder Linden: Hermit Alts. :)
Kali Pizzaro: okkkkkaaaaaayyyyy@Gwenette ;-)
Esme Qunhua: Tom B.: naughty alts, hermit alts, building alts.
Mimi Muircastle: hermit alts for Mondays :)
Ignatius Onomatopoeia LOVES that phrase..."hermit ALTs"
Gwenette Writer: LEAVE ME ALONE!! hahaah
Kali Pizzaro: hehe
Katie Fenstalker: literary character alts....
Gwenette Writer: let me cruise in peace
Esme Qunhua: Tom B.: All of us talk about social networking but sometimes we go into sl to be alone.
Kali Pizzaro: haha go girl
Kali Pizzaro: good point Tom
Gwenette Writer: he is such a snob haahah
CathyWyo1 Haystack: that is so true
AJ Brooks: functional alts
Esme Qunhua: Tom B.: Alts can be used to be left alone
AJ Brooks: more groups
Zotarah Shepherd: Shopping alts haha
Roderick Reanimator: I am smarter than Iggy :P
Gwenette Writer: one for spam
Kali Pizzaro: no you are not
Esme Qunhua: Tom B.: Phenomona of alts extends beyond VWs
Olivia Hotshot: excellent comparable example, Tom.
Katie Fenstalker: or more than one bar to go to....
Mimi Muircastle: be careful, Roderick, Iggy may do away with you :)
Ignatius Onomatopoeia dope-slaps Roderick
Esme Qunhua: Tom B.: multi emails, multi facebook accounts.
Mimi Muircastle: see Roderick I told you!
Esme Qunhua: In China people have multi cell phones.
Gwenette Writer: Joni Mitchell sings: And you know two heads are better than one hahhaha
Kali Pizzaro: as long as they are not doing anyone harm who cares
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: A very rich field of research for social scientists!
Esme Qunhua: Tom B.: While some people try to have two lives - it is much easier to sustain two ALTs
Kali Pizzaro: indeed
Esme Qunhua: Tom B.: rich field of study
Hattie Haystack: AJ: you brought up the social side of things...this book you were glad you couldn't edit this book
AJ Brooks: The book is a snapshot in time, a chronicle of where we were at a time many believe is a cusp, or transition. Things were much "smaller" when you were doing your fieldwork - socially, how have things changed?
Gwenette Writer: u have to dress better to get any respect hha
Esme Qunhua: Tom B.: Any research is a snapshot.
Katie Fenstalker: new contexts of scholarship too.... it is history too!
Esme Qunhua: Tom B.: one reason to do a book is it forces you not to attempt to edit, revise - as in a blog
Esme Qunhua: Tom B.: it fights the researchers Hubris
AJ Brooks: well - the research ended in 2007, right?
Esme Qunhua: Tom B.: It forced me to look at the big picture items that might not change
Tom Bukowski: yes
Tom Bukowski: 2005
Tom Bukowski: 80%
Esme Qunhua: Tom B.: and yet other things did change - like the huge international growth.
Katie Fenstalker: growth and also things like federal government using -- the Army!
Esme Qunhua: Tom B.: Whole islands on which the dominant language is not english
Pathfinder Linden: see http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Military_Lands
Esme Qunhua: Tom B.: Actually the military has been involved from the beginning.
Gwenette Writer: mahalo PathFinder
Pathfinder Linden cracks his old-timer back, nods sagely, and strokes his grey beard
Esme Qunhua: Tom B.: But educational involvement has surged. Avalon on island for education when I started.
Esme Qunhua: Tom B.: rise and fall of business.
Ignatius Onomatopoeia passes Pathfinder a cane (and runs like heck)
Gwenette Writer: the holy brand hahah
Esme Qunhua: Esme says oops sorry.
Esme Qunhua: Tom B.: Avalon was not the one education island
Tom Bukowski: .edu .gov
Tom Bukowski: .mil
Profdan Netizen: and then crashed
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Right--DARPA led us all online
Katie Fenstalker: (interested in this military history....)
Esme Qunhua: Tom B.: Seems to be more and more use of VWs by whole families - WoW and SL
Oggie Ballinger: The family that slays together...
Gwenette Writer: ahh in sl ummm here we see that age issue again:)
Warrant Neximus: lol, my dad is trying to get me back on WoW to join his guild :P
Esme Qunhua: Tom B.: some are scattered families and some are not.
Olivia Hotshot: wonderful conversation today!
AJ Brooks: What would you add or do different if you were finishing the book today. You talk about "future publications", what's next in your research?
Hattie Haystack: AJ: we are out of time...the questions that have come in will be saved and asked at the next meeting as well as my 'B' list questions
Mimi Muircastle: this has been amazing - thank you for your openness, Tom
Zotarah Shepherd: My neighbor is trying to get me on Twitter and I am trying to get her to try SL.
Profdan Netizen: class in 55 minutes.
Enelya Pevensey: Tom thank you so much for your time - your book is terrific
Esme Qunhua: Tom B.: I wouldn't do anything different about the book.
Katie Fenstalker: thank you for everything!
Pawlus Twine: Or going to sleep in Europe : almost 1 AM :)
AJ Brooks: one sec tom
Kali Pizzaro: yeah sleepy
Mimi Muircastle: thank you too, AJ for bringing tom to us:)
Esme Qunhua: Tom B.: I didn't hold anything back - didn't save anything.
Zotarah Shepherd: Thank you for the great informative interview AJ and Tom.
Hattie Haystack: AJ: given the changes in the 2 years since you completed in your research, what would you do different
Wena Merlin: Thanks very much for today, AJ, Tom and Hattie!
Esme Qunhua: Tom B.: Future research. There are so many interesting things. I am editor and chief of ? for the next three years.
Zotarah Shepherd: American Anthropologist?
Enelya Pevensey: all interesting stuff. :)
Esme Qunhua: Tom B.: I would like to do more on religion, disabilities, furries, human/animals.
Poppy Zabelin: American Anthropologist-->Esme
Katie Fenstalker: queer stuff?
Esme Qunhua: Tom B.: when there are Indonesians are in sl that will be interesting.
Ahlan Oh: Graduate Students!!!
Esme Qunhua: esmes says thanks Poppy and Zo
Eliasdehart Sixpence: are there hate groups here? I wouldn't know
Pathfinder Linden: wow, i love these future research directions and ideas. please keep busy Tom! :)
Esme Qunhua: Tom B.: more on sexuality.
Lolly Dovgal: Hard to believe that in here there are griefers.
Zotarah Shepherd: I will tell my classes about your book Tom.
Esme Qunhua: Tom B.: hate groups are importnat to study.
Bella Yan: thanks so much - and very appreciative of the great modelling of inworld interviewing
Olivia Hotshot claps
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: huge huge applause!
Esme Qunhua: Tom B.: Time to wrap up. great discussion, will come back!
Margaret Michalski: Nice to meet you!
Lolly Dovgal: Thank you so much
Bella Yan: /claps
TT Quandry: THANKS
Olivia Hotshot applauds
Margaret Michalski: thank you
Wena Merlin: clap clap clap
Esme Qunhua: esmes says thanks so much.
Kali Pizzaro: fantastic looks like i have lost my job Hattie and Esme
Arawn Spitteler woners if an anthropological study could be made, of those who grief the hate groups
Pathfinder Linden: Thank you so much Tom. :) this was outstanding!
Oggie Ballinger: Thanks so Tom and AJ!
Katie Fenstalker: SO NICE!
Aster Brun: super--thanks
Morgen String: Thank you both, very much
Enelya Pevensey: thank you! /applause
Aster Brun: 1
Tom Bukowski: Thank you! This was great fun!!!
Zotarah Shepherd: Thank you
mgfreitas Barcelos: /claps
Irix Ladybird: thank you very much!
Katie Fenstalker: clap!
Tom Bukowski: Happy to do it!
Adra Letov: thank you Tom!
Bathsheba Darkfold: thank you
Warrant Neximus: thanks so much for your time! (:
Tom Bukowski: Let's do it again!
Bella Yan: anti-fa
Malburns Writer: excellent
Zotarah Shepherd applaudes
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: transcript will be out SOON on this one...thanks Tom
Katya Anatine: Thanks, Tom - great talk!
Kali Pizzaro: Thanks Tom
Hattie Haystack: AJ: Thank you Tom...this was as engaging and informative and interesting as I thought it would be
Tom Bukowski: I'd love to hear more about educational experiments that all of you are doing
CathyWyo1 Haystack: thanks AJ!!!
Pawlus Twine: I am not complaining about that 1 am in Poland. It is so interesting!!
Gwenette Writer: Many warm mahalos to you both fascinating engaging and it could only have happened in Second Life:))
JonasAletheia Winkler: .-'`'-. APPLAUSE APPLAUSE .-'`'-.
CathyWyo1 Haystack: thanks Tom!!!!
Tom Bukowski: And get the free 1st chapter!
Gwenette Writer: >>> aaaaaplllaauuusssseee clapclapclapclapclap <<<<
Katie Fenstalker: right here next to me now!
Hattie Haystack: AJ: I encourage everyone to get Tom's book
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: ordered one from Amazon during the talk :)
Enelya Pevensey: heh - next time we need to work out how he can autograph our books
Bathsheba Darkfold: how should we contact Tom?
Tom Bukowski: LOL yes!
Profdan Netizen: Fascinating read.
Tom Bukowski: to contact me: tboellst@uci.edu
Hattie Haystack: AJ: was in stock at Barnes & Noble :)
Morgen String: Yeah LOL
Pathfinder Linden: Tom, are you on Twitter?
Warrant Neximus: i had a professor assign coming of age in our class :D
Tom Bukowski: Yes, I'm on twitter but more on Facebook
Hattie Haystack: AJ: free copy here in the box and will be circulated to the SLED group
Zotarah Shepherd: Thank you for the first chapter!
Bathsheba Darkfold: How can we sign up for the education round table?
Katie Fenstalker: thanks for staying.
Eliasdehart Sixpence applauds
Hattie Haystack: AJ: this was the longest meeting...but has been a pleasure
Margaret Michalski: Thanks tom!
Eliasdehart Sixpence: woo hoo!
Ahlan Oh: Thanks, Tom and AJ.
Tom Bukowski: This was great fun! We'll do a round 2 somtime!
Zola Zsun: thank you thank you.. very interesting
Olivia Hotshot: too funny.
Katie Fenstalker: yay Olivia.
Kali Pizzaro: Go Olivia
Gwenette Writer: OLIVIA yes!!
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: wooo Olivia!
Olivia Hotshot: I'll wear the Montclair shirt.
MonicaMarlo Martinek: thank you!!!
Lolly Dovgal: Yea!!!
CathyWyo1 Haystack: uh oh sounds like trouble!!
Profdan Netizen: Thanks, AJ and Tom.
Hattie Haystack: AJ: next week I will not be here...Olivia will be moderator and the topic is Pedogogical
Katya Anatine: Thanks, AJ!
Pathfinder Linden waves
Katie Fenstalker: just back from classs.......
Eliasdehart Sixpence: thanks AJ & Tom
Margaret Michalski: Thanks Aj!
Tom Bukowski: Hey Path - thanks for coming
Tom Bukowski: THis was great AJ!
Hattie Haystack: Thanks Tom!
Arawn Spitteler hasn't read Coming Of Age In Our Class: I suppose autographs could be mailed as postcards.
Marc Rexen: Thanks AJ.
Tom Bukowski: lol yes Arawn
Kali Pizzaro: puts down laptop as head hits illow
mgfreitas Barcelos: Thanks Aj and Tom :)
Kali Pizzaro: pillow
Katie Fenstalker: like postcard autograph idea!
Kali Pizzaro: cheers all
Olivia Hotshot: Thanks Gwen, what shall i do with that?
Hattie Haystack: AJ: for those who have IM'd me...the next session will be Q&A and keep IM'ing me
Ahlan Oh: and practice your speedreading skills for next time!
Gwenette Writer: AJ LOVES papaerwork ahha
Lolly Dovgal: This was really great!
Tom Bukowski: It was great!
Arawn Spitteler: Almost time for Tea, in Sea Turtle Island
Katie Fenstalker: yes. Arawn see you there!
Olivia Hotshot: Great job, AJ.
Profdan Netizen: Good night all. Time to forage for food.
Tom Bukowski: Yes AJ, thanks for hosting, this was great
Morgen String: Bye, good night everybody!
Tom Bukowski: nighty night Morgen!
Morgen String: :-)
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: okay--ALT boy and I are going back to the House of Usher! Goodnight all
Arawn Spitteler: Hi, Soo, just missed the show. An Anthropologist discussing his study of Secod Life. Does anyone recall the itle of the book?
Tom Bukowski: I'm here!
Tom Bukowski: You can get a free copy of the first chapter, Arawn
Sooden Ren: had event to run :(
hobbs Constantine: In case any interest: Quidditch practice tomorrow, 5 p.m. SLT, just show up!
Olivia Hotshot: AJ, see you soon. Will send you the next LM giver when i have a chance to make it.
Olivia Hotshot: Bye everyone.
Hattie Haystack: hi hobbs...not sure if I'll make Quidditch...but will try
Tom Bukowski: Cu Olivia
AJ Brooks: ok olivia - and I'll sahre it again with the groups, that seemed to work well
Tom Bukowski: omg I haven't checked out Quidditch - must do that sometime!
AJ Brooks: we have a great time
Olivia Hotshot: Bye Tom and thanks!
AJ Brooks: the pitch is not far from here, wanna see it - got 2 minutes?
Katya Anatine: Quidditch is a blast!
Hattie Haystack: it is so much fun Tom
Katya Anatine: I wish I could play more quidditch
Tom Bukowski: Sure, I'll walk over real fast
Arawn Spitteler doesn't like the books in Texture: Does anyone recall the title? I know it's in yon cube
Zotarah Shepherd waves to Malburns
Tom Bukowski: Coming of Age in Second Life
AJ Brooks: hop on the chair, tom - I'll fly us over
Gwenette Writer gave you Tom & AJ: Coming of Age _Montclair State CHSS.
AJ Brooks: bye everyone
Hattie Haystack: bye AJ
Zotarah Shepherd: Bye AJ
Arawn Spitteler: Coming of Age in Second Life! First chapter is in that block
Roderick Reanimator: That Iggy--"go here, do that" I'm going to pull an E.A. Poe on him and brick him up in a wall :)
Roderick Reanimator: nite AJ