Transcript of Virtual Worlds Education Roundtable: Jan. 5, 2010
Topic: Possible, probable, and preferable futures of Education in Virtual Worlds - Redux
Special Guests:
Anthony Fontana (SL: AnthonyFontana Chevalier)
Chris Collins (SL: Fleep Tuque)
Daniel Livingston (SL: Buddy Sprocket)
Jonathon Richter (SL: Wainbrave Bernal)
Ken Hudson (SL: Kenny Hubble)
Thanks to Olivia Hotshot, Grinn Pidgeon, and Lolly Dovgal for their photos. Join our VWER group at Flickr and add your own pictures!
AJ Brooks: Hi everyone, and welcome to the first Virtual Worlds Education Roundtable meeting.
AJ Brooks: We are so excited about today's meeting, for many reasons - not the least of which is that we're getting our renamed, repurposed group up and running!
Olivia Hotshot: 62 in the sim for the record.
AJ Brooks: Our meetings are made possible by the Office of Information Technology at Montclair State University. We meet here each week at 2:30pm SLT for an hour.
AJ Brooks: Hi everyone, and welcome to the first Virtual Worlds Education Roundtable meeting.
AJ Brooks: We are so excited about today's meeting, for many reasons - not the least of which is that we're getting our renamed, repurposed group up and running!
AJ Brooks: Our meetings are made possible by the Office of Information Technology at Montclair State University. We meet here each week at 2:30pm SLT for an hour.
AJ Brooks: The Virtual Worlds Education Roundtable is a forum to educate and inform the community about issues that are important and relevant to education.
Wainbrave Bernal: w00t!
AJ Brooks: The views and opinions of any of our special guests or visitors do not necessarily represent those who volunteer or organize these meetings,
Fleep Tuque: (w00t!)
Zotarah Shepherd cheers
AJ Brooks: or of the College of Humanities and Social Sciences, Office of Information Technology , or Montclair State University.
AJ Brooks: Today's meeting topic is "Possible, Probable, and Preferrable Future of Education in Virtual Worlds" and as you can see, we have an all-star line-up for you today.
AJ Brooks: This is a public meeting, so we do keep a transcript of what is said in local chat. For a copy of transcripts, please visit http://www.virtualworldsedu.info/slroundtable/
AJ Brooks: Special thanks to our resident scribe, Iggy Onomatopoeia, for taking care of this. If you've not seen the transcripts, you should check them out - they are a great information asset.
Mirt Tenk: hear, hear!
AJ Brooks: We are working on upcoming meetings for you, I'll go over just a few in a minute
AJ Brooks: The Virtual Worlds Education Roundtable meeting happens each week and we are looking to develop a community of educators from around the world with a variety of thoughts, needs, and ideas.
AJ Brooks: Please join the Virtual Worlds Education Roundtable group here in SL. You can also find us on Facebook, LinkedIn, Flicker, and KoinUp, as well as on Twitter as VWER.
AJ Brooks: Finally, if you have Mystitool on, or other similar tool, please put it to sleep or detach it for now. :-) It tends to lag things.
AJ Brooks: This meeting will be conducted in voice. We do have transcribers who will try to capture what the speakers are saying in voice.
AJ Brooks: Special thanks to Olivia Hotshot, Kali Pizarro, Ignatius Onomatopoeia, Mirt Tenk, and Ahlan Oh for transcribing today
Olivia Hotshot: doing it now
AJ Brooks: If you are having problems with your voice chat, please see the signs on the walls. If you continue to have problems, contact Margaret Michalski for support.
Dewey Jung: Applause!!
AJ Brooks: You are welcome to use the local chat as a back channel, but understand that the speakers may not see it.
Zotarah Shepherd: Hi Dewey!!!
Margaret Michalski: Blue star scrubs
AJ Brooks: If you have a question for one of us, or a comment, please IM it to me and I will try to get it in voice if possible.
AJ Brooks: As a hint, it is better to have "local chat" open for these meetings, it will help you follow along better.
AJ Brooks: You can find local chat by clicking COMMUNICATE in the bottom navigation bar and you'll find LOCAL CHAT as one of the tabs at the bottom of the window
Dewey Jung: yo zo!
AnthonyFontana Chevalier: All hail king AJ
AJ Brooks: Before we get the meeting started, I have some housekeeping stuff to cover. :-)
Wainbrave Bernal: he's gonna win this race
AJ Brooks: I'm going to let our guests each introduce themselves and tell us who they are - since some of you may be new and may not know them
AJ Brooks: I'm also going to ask our speakers that if they DO respond to something written in local chat that they say aloud what they are commenting on so it makes it into voice.
Fleep Tuque: hehe
Wainbrave Bernal: ok, will do
Margaret Michalski: Good idea
AJ Brooks: The VWER is looking for volunteers to help out with some of the day-to-day organizational tasks.
AJ Brooks: If you have experience with Twitter, LinkedIn, Facebook, or any other social networks, please get in touch with me directly.
AJ Brooks: We have some amazing meetings coming up for you.
AJ Brooks: Our newest weekly addition is The Reading Meeting. The 3rd week of each month will be dedicated to discussion on an article provided in advance.
AJ Brooks: On January 19th, we will be discussing an article titled "A Methodology for Measuring Usability Evaluation Skills Using the Constructivist Theory and the Second Life Virtual World"
Mirt Tenk: great!
AJ Brooks: You can find the article here http://bit.ly/6bkVDf
Jarrad Voom: ohhhh
Emilia Cornwall: what a title!
AJ Brooks: For Special 1st of the Month meetings we have Barry Fishman (from Obama’s National Educational Technology Plan committee) on February 9th, Ken Hudson (Canadian Border Simulation)
AJ Brooks: on April 6th and Jonathon Richter (Center for Learning in a Virtual Environment) on June 1st, plus more to be announced shortly
Kali Pizzaro: trying to get the author
Kenny Hubble: Kenny Hubble or Ken Hudson - don't cross the streams pls
Fleep Tuque: (Of the article? Debra Slone)
Kali Pizzaro: yeah
Fleep Tuque: Debra J Slone
Fleep Tuque: :)
AJ Brooks: Some of our other meeting themes will be: Copyright and Intellectual Property, Visual and Multimedia Literacy, and Legal and Ethical Issues in Teaching in Second Life, just to name a few.
Kali Pizzaro: you know her
AJ Brooks: We'll also be visiting other virtual worlds, about once a month - our next one is the Reaction Grid on Monday, February 8th. Contact Olivia Hotshot for details
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: 78 on sim now
Ahlan Oh: AJ Brooks said: topic for today: possible probable and preferable
Ahlan Oh: AJ Brooks said: give us a brief history
Ahlan Oh: AJ Brooks said: Fleep Tuque first
Ahlan Oh: AJ Brooks said: I'll ask questions
Ahlan Oh: AJ Brooks said: IM me if you have specific questions for the guests
Mirt Tenk: Fleep said: thanks, I'm Chris Collins
Mirt Tenk: Fleep said: I work at U of Cincinnati
Decka Mah waves to Fleep
Mirt Tenk: Fleep said: I run our four sims here
Mirt Tenk: Fleep said: ambassador for learning network (?)
Mirt Tenk: Fleep said: been in SL since 2003
Stargazer Blazer: Ohio Learning Network.
Mirt Tenk: Fleep said: been in this av since 2005
CallieDel Boa: Yayyy
Mirt Tenk: Fleep said: co-chaired the SL Best Practices in Ed conf
Ahlan Oh: AJ Brooks said: great intro Fleep!
Mirt Tenk: Fleep said: co-chaired SLEDcc in 2008 w/Jonathan Richter
Kali Pizzaro: Anthony - is Learning Technology Consultant & Instructor of art at Bowling Green State University. AUTHOR of THE DOGS graphic novel, available in SL.
Fleep Tuque: (yay Ohio!) :)
Kali Pizzaro: Anthony- they have had a virtual campus since 2007
Kali Pizzaro: Anthony- along with Bonnie and Kenny Hubble we where here on the subjects of the arts and virtual architecture
Ahlan Oh: AJ Brooks said: excellent, thanks!
Kali Pizzaro: Anthony- I have presented at a number of conferences
Ahlan Oh: AJ Brooks said: Daniel--Buddy
Oronoque Westland: for the record - 79 on the SIM
Dewey Jung: yay sloodle!
AnthonyFontana Chevalier: hey Jeremy
Stargazer Blazer: (Go Sloodle!)
Kali Pizzaro: Buddy0 I work at the University of the West of Scotland and with Jeremy with Sloodle
Wainbrave Bernal: JKe!
Mirt Tenk: haha
Kali Pizzaro: Buddy- My first experience of VW led me to be a text based wizard at Un of Strathclyde, did my MSc and then Phd back toVw
Kali Pizzaro: Buddy- I have a book coming out soon and have wrote a number of articles.
Ahlan Oh: AJ Brooks said: thanks
Ahlan Oh: AJ Brooks said: now to Kenny Hubble
Esme Qunhua: Kenny you are talking wicked fast!
Dewey Jung: you can summarize, esme
CallieDel Boa: Awesome presentation last year at VWBPE!
Esme Qunhua: Kenny 2006 started campus at Loyalist College
Dewey Jung: it's Buddy's
Buddy Sprocket: sorry!
Esme Qunhua: Kenny Kenny Hudson in RL
Mirt Tenk: began teaching in SL early 2007
Margaret Michalski: Great work!
Esme Qunhua: Kenny 2007 started teaching.
Esme Qunhua: Kenny Started Media Ecology and specializes in media studies and communication.
Esme Qunhua: He is responsible for case study of Border Security Training. (Canada)
Ahlan Oh: AJ Brooks said: thanks, Ken
Esme Qunhua: Kenny is glad to be here.
Wainbrave Bernal: back of the bus, man
Ahlan Oh: AJ Brooks said: last but not least, sitting out on the periphery: Jonathan Richter
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Wainbrave Bernal is Research Associate for the Center for Advanced Technology in Education at the University of Oregon.
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: the center is in collaboration with Merlot and they have their own island in SL
Fleep Tuque: alphabet soup! :)
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: he's also chair of ARVIL
cyber Placebo: what is the name of the island?
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: and principle investigator on two projects to develop gaming and simulation in SL and other to investigate how geo-distributed teams are using VWs to get work done
Dewey Jung: "geodistributed"?
Ahlan Oh: AJ Brooks said: excellent. thank you. and thanks to everyone.
Ahlan Oh: AJ Brooks said: we'll have a conversation with each other.
Wainbrave Bernal: Dewey: people not in the same geolocation
Ahlan Oh: AJ Brooks said: 1st: last year we talked about (Sarah brought this up)--she had an unavoidable conflict
Dewey Jung: thx, wb
Ahlan Oh: AJ Brooks said: she was talking about being stuck in a justification phase.
Ahlan Oh: AJ Brooks said: do you think we've moved beyond the justification phase?
Mimi Muircastle: yes, not whether but where and when :)
Mirt Tenk: Fleep said: I agree w/that
Esme Qunhua: Kenny thinks we need to We need to turn the page and say this is valuable.
Mirt Tenk: Fleep said: I no longer feel my job is justifying edu in VWs
Mirt Tenk: Fleep said: I spent a couple years doing that most of the time, now much less
Mirt Tenk: Fleep said: not that VWs have reached mainstream adoption
Mirt Tenk: Fleep said: decision-makers are convinced they are worthwhile in terms of investigation
Mirt Tenk: Fleep said: even if they dont' understand all the implications
Decka Mah: Stages of professional development - Awareness Raising --> Buy In --> Main Streaming --> Celebration of successes
Ahlan Oh: [ AJ Brooks said ] ----- anyone else?
Mirt Tenk: Fleep said: we're no longer justifying, now focusing on scalability, integrating w/campus data systems
Kali Pizzaro: Buddy- it is almost strange to think how glacial the rate of change in education is
Fleep Tuque: (glacial is a good term, unfortunate though it may be) ;)
Wainbrave Bernal: aren't the glaciers all melting?
Kali Pizzaro: Buddy- the Further education colleges in UK are slow and only getting into e-learning
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: not in education..they still freeze solid :)
Mirt Tenk: Wainbrave: s-l-o-w-l-y
Dewey Jung: knowledge is liquifying, though
Kali Pizzaro: Buddy- web- based technologies some are trailblazers some only starting now
Ahlan Oh: [ AJ Brooks said ] ----- that's a good point.
Kali Pizzaro: Buddy- huge learning curve again with VW when they are only getting into web 2.0
Ahlan Oh: [ AJ Brooks said ] ----- the application we're using hasn't changed all that much in the last 1-1.5 years
Ahlan Oh: [ AJ Brooks said ] ----- yesterday Linden Lab CEO talked about the future (10 year plan)
Buddy Sprocket: / - some FE colleges are very ahead in adopting LMS/VLE - others are far, far behind
Fleep Tuque: (I'd argue it hasn't change _substantially_ since SL came out of beta)
Ahlan Oh: [ AJ Brooks said ] ----- they built a new SL.com
Ahlan Oh: [ AJ Brooks said ] ----- new viewer 2.0
Ahlan Oh: [ AJ Brooks said ] ----- launched SL answers
Ahlan Oh: [ AJ Brooks said ] ----- "worked" on some improvements
Mirt Tenk: amen
Margaret Michalski: agreed
Ahlan Oh: [ AJ Brooks said ] ----- i think things have been inferior to prior faciltieis
Jeremy Kabumpo: https://blogs.secondlife.com/community/features/blog/2010/01/03/happy-new-year-looking-backlooking-ahead
Ahlan Oh: [ AJ Brooks said ] ----- commissioned their own private network
Ahlan Oh: [ AJ Brooks said ] ----- upgraded simulators
Dewey Jung: it's incremental
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Thanks Jeremy, for the URL!
Ahlan Oh: [ AJ Brooks said ] ----- how much of that really has anything to do with the day to day life in SL
Wainbrave Bernal: (complexity in scaling, multiple uses, transitioning markets, sensitivity to initial conditions)
Nany Kayo: Hardware and bandwidth to access virtual worlds is still prohibitive for many organizations and people.
Ahlan Oh: [ AJ Brooks said ] ----- some would argue not much has changed
Ahlan Oh: [ AJ Brooks said ] ----- how do you all feel about that?
Mirt Tenk: Fleep said: @ the SLCC in 2008
Mirt Tenk: Fleep said: one session was a group of educators giving feedback
Mirt Tenk: Fleep said: we talked about bringing in our students, faculty, administrators
Mirt Tenk: Fleep said: asked for better registration APIs, easier group mgmt, etc
AnthonyFontana Chevalier: indeed
Ignatius Onomatopoeia chuckles
Mirt Tenk: Fleep said: as I read the blog post, I realized nearly none of it was addressed on the list and I am disappointed
Profdan Netizen: In world browser.
Dewey Jung: does education make money for LL? And if so, has anyone added that amount up?
Margaret Michalski: Something like the goals for SL in 2010
Fleep Tuque: (listen!)
Fleep Tuque: :)
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Wainbrave said in making his list of what he'd like, he hoped that LL would partner with a range of users to improve the experience, but that "is quite a wild card"
Ahlan Oh: [ AJ Brooks said ] ----- need a serious, design-based research community
Kali Pizzaro: 82 on the sim
Ahlan Oh: [ AJ Brooks said ] ----- that's a 'wildcard'
Kali Pizzaro: Buddy- i get the impression that LL don't have the resources
Kali Pizzaro: Buddy- this is one of the reasons for the old standards
Kali Pizzaro: Buddy- they are putting another level of folk to negotiate with if there is a problem
Esme Qunhua: Kenny: I have a different perspective
Esme Qunhua: from a linden corporate perspective
Wainbrave Bernal: absolutely
Esme Qunhua: Kenny: "Let's look at what we are doing NOW and what is the cost."
Buddy Sprocket: / SL solution providers: http://solutionproviders.secondlife.com/
Olivia Hotshot: 82 in the sim for the record
Kali Pizzaro: Cheers Buddy
Esme Qunhua: Kenny: Part of my belief that this could be the year of non apology,
Wainbrave Bernal: it is quite possible that 2010 be the year that virtual worlds learning comes of age
Esme Qunhua: Kenny: This is a relatively no cost place for education.
Kali Pizzaro: Anthony- a little pessimistic they 2008 needs were not answered
Esme Qunhua: Kenny: We don't need to be nay-sayers and just use what we have
Kenny Hubble: I don't advocate for corporations to ignore their customers
Wainbrave Bernal: Avatar (the movie) + continued crashing economy + a maturing set of affordances + some real gains on the horizon
Kali Pizzaro: Anthony- the long term user are going to get a bit fed up with being ignored and not getting heard
Mirt Tenk believes the WV platform adopted by majority of higher ed will become the dominant platform of the world
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: sad that we are not considered part "of the culture"
Fleep Tuque: nod yes, excited by that too and the API possibilities!
Mirt Tenk: Iggy: not a profitable part
Kali Pizzaro: Anthony- role play activity is where the money is. I found it interesting that c - sharp will be included in the scripting
Mimi Muircastle: music in someone's mic - help please :)
Fleep Tuque: (So long as they don't keep up the tradition of letting users prove the business model and then take them over, I should say)
Margaret Michalski: @iggy, there will be a point that tey will realize or regret that they did not meet educators needs
Wainbrave Bernal: most every major textbook company now suddenly has a "virtual architect" position
Kali Pizzaro: Anthony- this makes it a better infrastructure for the clients although these are long term plans
Ahlan Oh: [ AJ Brooks said ] ----- i want to shift....
Ahlan Oh: [ AJ Brooks said ] ----- let's look at some of these things:
Kali Pizzaro: Anthony- not meeting our needs now
Ahlan Oh: [ AJ Brooks said ] ----- viewer 2.0
Ahlan Oh: [ AJ Brooks said ] ----- discovery tools
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: fixing search will help us all
Ahlan Oh: [ AJ Brooks said ] ----- new orientation experience
Ahlan Oh: [ AJ Brooks said ] ----- a lot of people come in via alternative islands
Ahlan Oh: [ AJ Brooks said ] ----- content mgmt and protection tools
Ahlan Oh: [ AJ Brooks said ] ----- they don't talk about IP
Ahlan Oh: [ AJ Brooks said ] ----- redesign e-commerce
Wainbrave Bernal: I think they lose a lot of people *still* in the orientation process and they want it much improved
Ahlan Oh: [ AJ Brooks said ] ----- refocus on open source dev.
Buddy Sprocket: content protection has been hammered of late...
Fleep Tuque: nod WB
Ahlan Oh: [ AJ Brooks said ] ----- extending data center
Mirt Tenk: that's what we need, open source dev
Olivia Hotshot: And to find ways to get the residents to do much of the work.
Ahlan Oh: [ AJ Brooks said ] ----- and at the end: technological must do's
AnthonyFontana Chevalier: Me too!!!
Esme Qunhua: I agree Wainbrave - Orientation is important. It is a nightmare.
Ahlan Oh: [ AJ Brooks said ] ----- they should have been spoken about before
Ahlan Oh: [ AJ Brooks said ] ----- do you feel these will address the needs of the educ. community?
AnthonyFontana Chevalier: no
Mirt Tenk: no
AnthonyFontana Chevalier: no
Kali Pizzaro: Buddy- yeah, Fleep mention more than c-sharp is an api which exposes data that you can embed in other ares
Wainbrave Bernal: The needs of the education community is much larger than Linden Lab itself
Fleep Tuque: hackery! love it!
Fleep Tuque: :)
Ahlan Oh: c# = c-sharp
Kali Pizzaro: Buddy- mash up of sources would be easier
Mirt Tenk: yes but investing in edu community is a long-term investment, not an immediate profit
Mimi Muircastle: yes, open mic with music
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Wainbrave agrees--there is a whole list of things that SL provides for the education community
Kali Pizzaro: buddy- if where was a api to do this that would be magic
Margaret Michalski: please keep your mics muted
Kali Pizzaro: Sorry Buddy could not resist
Mimi Muircastle: yes, please esp. the music
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Wainbrave--within our community there is a lot to discuss..personal learning environments, K-12, that are integrating VWs
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Wainbrave--we early adopters see it as slow but
Wainbrave Bernal: not me
Stargazer Blazer: No way.
Mirt Tenk: not at all
hobbs Constantine: no
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Wainbrave--from outside it's happening very fast. He agrees with Clatyon Christenson's prediction that by 2014 we will see broader integration of VWs into online instruction largely, not virtually.
Maali Beck: fully? no
Fleep Tuque: No way on utilizing fully, yes on committed to it. :)
Katarina Camino: No
Dewey Jung: not at all
Esme Qunhua: Kenny: Is your institution using virtual worlds to their fullest?
Esparanza Freese: no
Mirt Tenk: SL is still all early adopters
Profdan Netizen: just beginning to get interested.
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: one faculty member at Richmond--me. A bit of other interest
Mirt Tenk: oh my iggy!
Zotarah Shepherd: They are not using it hardly at all. : /
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: thanks, Wainbrave, for that clarification. IÕll add that to the transcript
Esme Qunhua: Kenny: Are WE doing as much as we could do to make this as much of a success for our institutions.
Kali Pizzaro: yep but lets evaluate tem
Mirt Tenk: Fleep said: Ken's an optimist & reminds me to be grateful for what we do have
Wainbrave Bernal: but that virtual worlds will play an increasingly more prominent role in online learning
Mirt Tenk: Fleep said: that is the source of my frustration
Mirt Tenk: Fleep said: my institution isn't fully utilizing VWs
Wainbrave Bernal: YES FLEEP!!!
Mirt Tenk: Fleep said: we only have one person managing it
Mirt Tenk: Fleep said: we have to get more buy-in
Mirt Tenk: Fleep said: need students enrolled in groups, need other technical, practical functionality
Stargazer Blazer: ((Institutions need to also reward innovation.))
Wainbrave Bernal: evidence-based practices better codified
Wainbrave Bernal: and disseminated
Wainbrave Bernal: and practices
Mirt Tenk: Fleep said: I hope LL will look at the low-hanging fruit & address some of our needs even a little
Mirt Tenk: Fleep said: that small amt could have a big impact in what we can do in edu
Fleep Tuque: :)
Decka Mah: Hmmm everyone else is moving tasks like filling out forms to the user...maybe students should enroll themselves through a course page
Fleep Tuque: muaha!
Wainbrave Bernal: ((gasp))
Maali Beck: lol
AnthonyFontana Chevalier: haha
Olivia Hotshot: hah!
Dewey Jung: lol
Kali Pizzaro: haha
hobbs Constantine: lol
Macker Shakkyo: only an hour?
CallieDel Boa giggles
Couch Woodget: it's a god movie
Esme Qunhua: Kenny: Totally agree with Fleep. Every tech advantage that can help us is great.
Ignatius Onomatopoeia rolls on the floor--good one Ken!
Couch Woodget: lol
Ahlan Oh: [ AJ Brooks said ] ----- everyone is a comedian.
Jarrad Voom: I love god movies.
Macker Shakkyo: AJ, is the question "can"? or "should"?
Ahlan Oh: [ AJ Brooks said ] ----- can SL remain a player in the field of VW's, and what do they need to do?
Olivia Hotshot: and actors do not look cool with a box on their heads
Mirt Tenk: no, LL will not remain a major player for large-scale involvement by institutions
Mirt Tenk: not w/interoperability
Tilla Kronos: Add to that Automatic Group Perms, please
Dewey Jung: opensim is going to surpass it within the next two years for educational applications
Kali Pizzaro: maybe
Mirt Tenk: it's going to be too easy for universities to set up their own VWs and do what they want v soon
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Wainbrave--yes, by continuing to work on innovating in SL, LL can eet some of these needs. LL is trying to define their market and goals.
Fleep Tuque: No Bb got the lead by buying out anyone who competed. ;)
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Wainbrave--We'd like LL to work directly with us, as Blackboard did
Kali Pizzaro: we are certainly putting time and money into it at our university
Olivia Hotshot: aggravating faculty you mean
Mirt Tenk: LL hasn't taken the window of opportunity to keep pursuit of that from becoming predominant
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Wainbrave--the future is increasingly more difficult for all of us to predict
Mirt Tenk: are you willing to pay LL what you pay BB?
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Wainbrave--the dialogue needs to increase
CallieDel Boa: The web is nice, need network media coverage IMHO
Kali Pizzaro: Buddy- one of Mark Kingdoms blog
Buddy Sprocket: M Linden: Second Life is galactic. With a massive influx of new Residents, Second Life becomes a collection of interconnected (and independent) worlds – some terrestrial, some extra-terrestrial. In terrestrial terms, Second Life grows 10x from being the 170th largest country in the world to the 134th (as measured by landmass) – right between Denmark and Switzerland.
Jarrad Voom: Good moving on from criticizing LL to criticizing BB
Wainbrave Bernal: Mirt: they may not have to listen to us as specific people
Mirt Tenk: nope and they are not listening to us as institutions
Wainbrave Bernal: IBM SL Enterprise could take off
Kali Pizzaro: Buddy- the report by Virtual world watch in the uk is reporting many other uses of VWs.
Esme Qunhua: Buddy what does the closing of metaplace mean for vws in general.
Mirt Tenk: not nearly as many ppl as those using the Internet
Olivia Hotshot: Excellent comment Buddy.
Kenny Hubble: totally agree Buddy
Wainbrave Bernal: good comment, Bud
Kali Pizzaro: Buddy- Linden Lab needs to establish themselves as the hub for others or someone else will take over
Fleep Tuque: hehe yes
Wainbrave Bernal: Farmville
Katarina Camino: y
Fleep Tuque: :)
Kenny Hubble: lol
Wainbrave Bernal: he he
Olivia Hotshot: Oh yeah
Jarrad Voom: no
Kali Pizzaro: Anthony- my students got hooked on playing farmville
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: I live Farmville IRL !
Mirt Tenk: haha Iggy
JeanClaude Vollmar: We may find a point too when we create our own sorts of APIs that will work (like Sloodle for instance) just as handily with open source versions of SL like OpenSim. If that happens, we may all jump ship for that model of VW.
Olivia Hotshot: flash on a prim - aghast!!
Fleep Tuque: (independent of land parcels!!!!)
Mirt Tenk: if I had time I'd do the real farming, not virtual
Kali Pizzaro: Anthony- if we had flash on a prim we could be playing it together
Esme Qunhua: AHHH nice idea.
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: you laugh, Mirt..I have a dodgy tractor and mean wildlife on the farm :)
Decka Mah: thanks speakers!!! gotta go
Mirt Tenk: Iggy: oh no I approve
Kali Pizzaro: Anthony- although it is a bit daft you can not dismiss the amount of folk doing it
Wainbrave Bernal: yup - notebooks are hot
Mirt Tenk: good point re Netbooks
Kali Pizzaro: Anthony Ð Linden Lab is aiming to be top but netbooks are the highest selling computer
Ricardo Pessoa: notebooks and tablets...
Kali Pizzaro: Anthony - google it that is the warcry of students
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: I'm so glad that Anthony is saying this! Yes...every one of my students used a laptop and wireless...and they had enless problems. They just refuse to plug in to use SL.
Kali Pizzaro: Anthony- going to Vw or bb is a chore
Mirt Tenk: SL won't remain the predominant VW
Lolly Dovgal: Interesting thoughts.
Mirt Tenk: Fleep said: that ties in w/one of my notes for this panel prep
toBe Destiny: a group is working on bringing an sl presence in the Nation of Oman. If anyone is interested in assisting with this or talking about small nation use of virtual worlds please Im me or Couch Woodget
Mirt Tenk: Fleep said: I've noticed reading about "Social Media" but items listed do not include SL w/FB, Twitter, etc like it was a couple years ago
Couch Woodget: who is talking now ?
Stargazer Blazer: Fleep
Mirt Tenk: Fleep said: this ties into what you are saying Anthony, I hope we haven't missed the boat
Mirt Tenk: Fleep said: so much data in SL isn't accessible to the web & vice-versa
Kali Pizzaro: yes
Esme Qunhua: Yay!
Mirt Tenk: Fleep said: I need my apps to be able to connect w/other apps I'm using and SL doesnt' do this
Wainbrave Bernal: i agree with all that Anthony says AND that mobile learning, a tad of augmented reality, the new Apple tablet, and research and corporate advances
Mirt Tenk: Fleep said: if LL keeps SL segregated from rest of web, this will harm the VW potential
Wainbrave Bernal: will keep pushing Linden Lab to new strategic issues
Kali Pizzaro: We need them now
Ahlan Oh: [ AJ Brooks said ] ----- these things are 10 years down the road
Buddy Sprocket: wainbrave - you trying to get all the good points there? ;-)
Mirt Tenk agrees!
Esme Qunhua: That better happen this year!
Ahlan Oh: [ AJ Brooks said ] ----- we talked about that last year
Fleep Tuque: Yes mobile, forgot to mention that one WB!
CallieDel Boa: Yes
Buddy Sprocket agrees w fleep
Ahlan Oh: and 2 years ago at slcc
toBe Destiny: and then there is Google Earth
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Rezzable is working on inventory transfer already, AJ--they've admitted that at our visit to Heritage Key
Zdenek Buchsbaum: Good point Fleep and bed one for LL. This is the end of their bussines...
Ahlan Oh: [ AJ Brooks said ] ----- SLHD (high definition)
Emilia Cornwall: SLHD.... LAG!
Stargazer Blazer: I think that is why we are "forward thinking."
Ahlan Oh: [ AJ Brooks said ] ----- if they wait 10 years to mobile devices.....
Mirt Tenk: SL interoperability is questionable--LL has to enable it and they have to decide they WANT to connect to other worlds (and permit it)
toBe Destiny: and there is also Google Wave
Ahlan Oh: [ AJ Brooks said ] ----- they won't look anything like they do now
Esme Qunhua: I hope they are huds on our glasses.
toBe Destiny: and knowledge management
Ahlan Oh: [ AJ Brooks said ] ----- SL becomes a std in business, educ. and gov't
Mirt Tenk: It won't be SL that is standard
toBe Destiny: 2 years
Ahlan Oh: [ AJ Brooks said ] ----- what do you think about this 10 year timeline?
Mercyblu Moorsider: keeping expectations low
Esme Qunhua: Kenny: In terms of the technology we absolutely can't wait ten years.
Mirt Tenk: we all need to be investigating self-hosting VW dev now on an institution basis so that when interoperability IS available we are prepared to populate the WWVW immediately
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Wainbrave agrees with Kenny's points
Esme Qunhua: Kenny: SL is a subculture that may not be at the center of culture and politics even in the next ten years.
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Wainbrave sees M's roadmap as "breadcrumbs"
Dewey Jung: can you leave a trail of breadcrumbs INTO the future?
AnthonyFontana Chevalier: @dewey Wainbrave can
Kali Pizzaro: haha dewey good point
Esme Qunhua: ha ha Dewey
Kali Pizzaro: Buddy- i thought it was a strange mix for a ten year vision
Mirt Tenk: right, in other VW platforms
Mercyblu Moorsider: scatter the crumbs to the pigeons
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Wainbrave thinks that whether or not LL can succeed in this depends on many factors, such as the individual projects M lists, as well as changes outside LL
Dewey Jung: @Anthony of course
Kali Pizzaro: Buddy- these are all being worked on and are not new
Wainbrave Bernal: the future is already here, Dewey... it's just not widely distributed (William Gibson)
Mirt Tenk: of course there's always RL for smells & such
Dewey Jung: good point, WB
Olivia Hotshot: Picture the 8 year olds going to see Avatar today being happy with their vision 10 years from now as college freshmen.
Kali Pizzaro: Buddy- even the science fiction could be reality
Kali Pizzaro: Buddy- he does say the walls will come down early but how early
Mirt Tenk: right JudyArx
toBe Destiny: we are looking for the wrong things, i feel... what we need is ontology mediation of human collaboration
Kali Pizzaro: Buddy- open sim has a lot of similarities with SL
toBe Destiny: the immersive nature is already high enough
CallieDel Boa: I believe it will eventually
toBe Destiny: i feel
Ahlan Oh: [ AJ Brooks said ] ----- who would have predicted a few years ago we'd be here?
Ahlan Oh: [ AJ Brooks said ] ----- we're starting to see some major efforts in open source
Kali Pizzaro: Buddy- it is hard to predict two years never mind ten
Mirt Tenk: we need more collaboration on open source
Ahlan Oh: [ AJ Brooks said ] ----- heritage key == king tut
Ahlan Oh: [ AJ Brooks said ] ----- reaction grid
Kali Pizzaro: Glasgow Caledoinian University is working on one
toBe Destiny: use google?
Mirt Tenk: collaboration in dev, not just users
Ahlan Oh: [ AJ Brooks said ] ----- the experience is not horrific
Kali Pizzaro: Beta testing
Ahlan Oh: [ AJ Brooks said ] ----- we will have our Feb 8 meeting in reaction grid
Lolly Dovgal: Sorry, have to leave. Great topic. Thanks to all the speakers.
Kali Pizzaro: Bye Lolly
toBe Destiny: the users need to lose the developers
Ahlan Oh: [ AJ Brooks said ] ----- contact olivia hotshot if you are interested in meeting there
Wainbrave Bernal: which is why LL has made their client, then server tech open source and have increasingly tried to move toward a virtual real estate company and get a seat at the table with Sun, IBM, and others to create the virtual worlds standard protocols
Mirt Tenk: we all need to be contributing to open source
Olivia Hotshot: <---- Yes, let me know if you want to know where VWER is going on Reaction Grid
Ahlan Oh: [ AJ Brooks said ] ----- what about the open source option, and what do we need to do to get there?
Mirt Tenk: Fleep said: I'm amazed at the progress of Open Sim even in the last 12 mos
toBe Destiny: and we must get to a new level in which design is even more simple
Mirt Tenk: Fleep said: when I first tried it it was blank, you were ruthed, couldnt' move
toBe Destiny: OpenSim plus also Google Earth
Wainbrave Bernal: I <3 Chilbo!
Olivia Hotshot: Chilbo on Reaction Grid is quite good.
Mirt Tenk: Fleep said: Chilbo comm bought a sim
Mirt Tenk: Fleep said: it gives you more options, better building palette
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: @Wainbrave...Jon Himoff has been very critical of that "land business" model that LL has adopted, but he'd certainly agree with you about LL's direction
Mirt Tenk: Fleep said: I'm surprised more educators aren't jumping to Open Sim
Esme Qunhua: What of loss of SL Educational community
AnthonyFontana Chevalier: we're thinking about it
Mirt Tenk: Fleep said: ReactionGrid is a PG grid
Esme Qunhua: and rich culture here.
AJ Brooks: our hour is almost up - but as long as our panel can stay - we'll keep going
Mirt Tenk: Fleep said: that opens up lots of edu potential for under-18 age students
AJ Brooks: there is more to talk about and also questions from the audience
toBe Destiny: i have a note card about ontology mediation in immersive worlds
Liam Gunes: It's a big deal for university level too
AJ Brooks: although if someone needs to leave, that is understandable
Couch Woodget: i think we all should stay , good info and topic
Kali Pizzaro: yep
Mirt Tenk: Fleep said: w/the modular system of Open Sim we have, there is flexibility
AJ Brooks: but please do stay - this is an excellent conversation
Mirt Tenk: Fleep said: you can have currency-grade, etc.
Wainbrave Bernal: yes - the development of great learning would be awesome Fleep - great point
Mirt Tenk: Fleep said: Open Sim is a real alternative to SL w/many more choices
Kali Pizzaro: agreed
Mirt Tenk: Fleep said: this will be more valuable to us as educators, esp faculty trying to do simulations
toBe Destiny: agreed
JeanClaude Vollmar: We rebuild it all over again? Or can our SL inventory follow us?
Kali Pizzaro: Anthony- we are looking into open sim
toBe Destiny: and the business model is not so focused on commerce
Esme Qunhua: I seriously worry about the isolation of opensim
Mirt Tenk thinks if we'd all host a few Open Sims & connect we'd have a fabulous EDU VW grid larger than SL
Olivia Hotshot: Open Sim owners seem to want to work with educators ....
Fleep Tuque: (And yes cost, but I expect cost to rise apace on OpenSim soon, it won't be THAT much cheaper forever, surely) :)
Mirt Tenk: (all higher ed in SL)
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: keeping your IP on your own server is quite a draw
Kali Pizzaro: Anthony- if we can do it for less money then there is no choice
Ahlan Oh: [ AJ Brooks said ] ----- last year we talked about SL connecting to other sims
Wainbrave Bernal: great open source work going on
Zotarah Shepherd: I like to collaboration possible on Reaction Grid
Ahlan Oh: [ AJ Brooks said ] ----- reaction grid is so much like SL
Kenny Hubble: We wouldn't have met Tom
Mimi Muircastle: great panel - look forward to the summaries - I hate to have to leave :)
Fleep Tuque: (PORTABLE AVS!)
toBe Destiny: public domain function might be enhanced
Fleep Tuque: :)
Ahlan Oh: [ AJ Brooks said ] ----- i can see faculty member making curriculum in their own VW
Kali Pizzaro: yeah lets not kill Sl yet ;-)
Mirt Tenk: @Fleep: Porable Avs come w/interoperability
Kali Pizzaro: i am just starting
Mirt Tenk: portable even
Ahlan Oh: [ AJ Brooks said ] ----- and when they want community, they go into SL, do research, and come back to locally run Virtual environment that looks like SL without all the restrictions.
Mirt Tenk: He's got 18 sims across three universities
Ahlan Oh: [ AJ Brooks said ] ----- what do the rest of you feel about that?
Mirt Tenk: already collaborating among multiple universities
Fleep Tuque: (At UC we're also looking at exporting our SL content to our own OpenSim install for data backup purposes)
toBe Destiny: yes
Kali Pizzaro: Anthony - we could do some stuff in Sl but also want the exposure of Sl
Fleep Tuque: SecondInventory and Meerkat/Emerald viewers make this possible now
Kickaha Wolfenhaut: Thanks speakers - gotta go.
Mirt Tenk: Right
Dewey Jung: higher ed needs to control the content on its servers, no doubt!
JeanClaude Vollmar: ( Coo Fleep, that's great news! )
Mirt Tenk: I've been backing up & porting to Open Sim w/Second Inventory for 18 months
Profdan Netizen: The back up potential of open sim is huge.
Kenny Hubble: Metaverse ecosysytem - nice
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Wainbrave sees the next step in the evolution of VWs as Open Source projects
AnthonyFontana Chevalier: @mirt right on
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Wainbrave thinks we'll see a good deal of innovation out of this sector, as well as corporate and government development there
toBe Destiny: might I ask about Google Earth and the integration of Building Information Modeling so that real life might be designed in a virtual world
Olivia Hotshot: Still 82 people on the sim.
toBe Destiny: as envisioned using SketchUp
Mirt Tenk: If higher ed can contribute to Open source dev we'll all benefit more quickly
Fleep Tuque: I'm still hopeful that real alternatives will emerge too, Blue Mars, HiPiHi, whatever - platforms wholly different than SL and OpenSim
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Wainbrave thinks that for now, the best strategy is to locally develop instead of being tied to LL's world alone
toBe Destiny: but the business model is not right for sooo many things
Kali Pizzaro: Buddy- however, we are not meeting in open sim tonight so there is a place for sl it is the common ground
Mirt Tenk doesn't think that is a priority for LL--remaining the common ground
Olivia Hotshot: Lets see where we meet in January 2011.
Kali Pizzaro: Buddy- it is up to LL to stay as the common ground
Fleep Tuque grins at Olivia.
Mirt Tenk: @Olivia: right
Mirt Tenk: and 2012 and 2013
Kali Pizzaro: Buddy- even if they have a lower sl presence with education
toBe Destiny: it is nice that SL has brought us to this point
Ahlan Oh: [ AJ Brooks said ] ----- so what's the next big breakthrough?
toBe Destiny: human knowledge representation as a part of a virtual world
CallieDel Boa: Agreed
Mirt Tenk: I don't think that's their business model
Esme Qunhua: Kenny: I think it is great that we have options, and it is great that we are here in sl tonight. (he is pragmatic) what is the best way to move forward.
toBe Destiny: that is the next big unseen step
Buddy Sprocket: @ margaret/birdie - SLOODLE is available as an opensim OAR file for opensim
Kali Pizzaro: Anthony- what is the next big breakthrough. LL need to get it sorted they will do that through the linden dollar
Profdan Netizen: Surprised no Lindens here today.
Mirt Tenk: Their best option would have been to target asset, commerce & identity hosting
Mirt Tenk: for interop
Kali Pizzaro: Anthony- if they can get it used in all VWs
Mirt Tenk: but they are moving in different directions
Kali Pizzaro: Anthony- Fb is trying to get a virtual dollar sorted
Ahlan Oh: open mics....:-(
Kali Pizzaro: someones kid is screaming
Fleep Tuque: A year ago I thought a good strategy for LL would be to become the "PayPal" of virtual worlds, now not so sure that's on their priority list
Kali Pizzaro: haha
Kali Pizzaro: Anthony- if folk leave then others will follow
Mirt Tenk: The hosting of inventory assets, identity mgmt and economy will be highest priority for interoperability among VWs
Ahlan Oh: [ AJ Brooks said ] ----- for VW's in general (not SL)....
Ahlan Oh: [ AJ Brooks said ] ----- this is the first meeting of our new group: VWER
Ahlan Oh: [ AJ Brooks said ] ----- this is a larger movement going on
Ahlan Oh: [ AJ Brooks said ] ----- what is the next big breakthrough for VW's generally?
Ahlan Oh: [ AJ Brooks said ] ----- there was voice--some liked it, some hated it.
Jeremy Kabumpo: Second Life in the form we see it here has an 18-month lifespan going forward. Kingdon has essentially stopped the company in its tracks technically and also melted its core value - its community. But the learning models and teaching methods we have designed and tested in Second Life will map onto new platforms. After OpenSim, Flash in the browser and location-based wireless apps need our attention. The tech press think of Facebook apps like Farmville as virtual worlds.
The Apple tablet is a key development with always-on Internet connectivity and a large format display. Look for location-enriched virtual environments. Think Foursquare meets SL.
Ahlan Oh: [ AJ Brooks said ] ----- this mtg would have been impossible without it.
Stargazer Blazer: Not impossible, but requires more preparation. :)
Mirt Tenk: Fleep said: my vote & hope are for more choices in haptic devices
Kenny Hubble: Too bad!
Kali Pizzaro: i have a vision of AJ i did not need hehe
Mirt Tenk: Fleep said: want to see something beyond hte keyboard & mouse & screen
Kali Pizzaro: oly joking
Mirt Tenk thinks you should try the Novint Falcon
Kali Pizzaro: ;-0
toBe Destiny: in the individual human there is a associational cortex and frontal lobes.... we do not have anything like that in a virtual world
Mirt Tenk: Fleep said: I want to be able to imagine my virtual spaces as another room in myhouse w/fewer constraints on interaction
toBe Destiny: no real mechanisms to support true collective intelligence
Stargazer Blazer: Wii+SL= future
Zotarah Shepherd: A real holodeck
Mirt Tenk: Fleep said: I dont' want to be stuck wt/he "darn mouse & keyboard"
Profdan Netizen: Wii controller.
Wainbrave Bernal: ha ha Stargazer - that's awesome
Mirt Tenk: Novint Falcon gives haptic FEEDBACK, not just input like the Wii
Stargazer Blazer: ;)
Kali Pizzaro: Anthony- the next be breakthrough will be mobile
Mirt Tenk: yes Margaret!
Fleep Tuque: (Good one Anthony, augmented reality, not just virtual reality!)
Fleep Tuque: I need more than one vote. :)
Fleep Tuque: hehe
Kali Pizzaro: Anthony- we have seen sims on mobile and we are getting apple table if they can do that then great
AnthonyFontana Chevalier: apple tablet
Decky Pinelli: I run an RDP session from both my iPod Touch and HTC WinMo back to Win7 to use SL today
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Wainbrave thinks that the mobile, the virtual, the haptic will converge
Kali Pizzaro: yeah sorry
toBe Destiny: voice t6o text, and one individual's text abstracted and unified with something liek Google Waves
Fleep Tuque: Who you callin weirdo! ;)
Mirt Tenk: NPR news story yesterday on use of VWs in therapy for war veterans w/catatrostrophic burns
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Wainbrave believes it will be a "massive sea change" that effects us all
Couch Woodget: How can education be implemented by the use of sl when voice (VoIp), (skype) is banned by the country, is it still effective to use sl for education?
Mirt Tenk: using haptic devices
Mirt Tenk: & helmets
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Wainbrave believes we'll have a lot more folks coming to conferences on virtual worlds
Ahlan Oh: shoulder pads
Jeremy Kabumpo: http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=120638735
Mirt Tenk: ty Jeremy
Jeremy Kabumpo: np
toBe Destiny: i feel that it is culture that must change
Couch Woodget: i think so also toBe, and in time i think
toBe Destiny: as this medium is not used as it might be already
Couch Woodget: How can education be implemented by the use of sl when voice (VoIp), (skype) is banned by the country, is it still effective to use sl for education?
Couch Woodget: oops
Mirt Tenk: the news story yesterday talked about the neurological benefits in healing of major burn injuries
Mirt Tenk: reduction in pain
Esme Qunhua: Kenny: I totally agree, I would suggest that this year research will suggest the ways that learning in VWs effects us. Changes our neurology.
Eluzielle Mistwalker: They could use the devices that record the movements on people for video games as part of an interface.
toBe Destiny: for example, the speakers speak
Fleep Tuque: bravo Kenny!
Wainbrave Bernal: Cultural change lags behind technological change as a rule
toBe Destiny: but there is not aggregation of the audience's intentions
toBe Destiny: so it is one one
Buddy Sprocket: http://www.bobba.com/
toBe Destiny: supply side
Kali Pizzaro: Buddy- have to agree with all but i see the challenge as a mobile and vw
Jarrad Voom: who?
toBe Destiny: one group supplies and the rest receives
Couch Woodget: how would te techno9logy such as " sixth sense technology " seen on youtube advance education ?
Kali Pizzaro: Buddy- for the most part we sit at a desktop as we need the full keyboard etc
Mirt Tenk: right Buddy
toBe Destiny: these are the kinds of things, Couch, that are not part of a technology but rather are part of the evolution of humanity
Wainbrave Bernal: yay! Stross
Mirt Tenk: When my mother-in-law saw SL she thought it WAS augmented reality--wanted to go for a walk down the street of Montgomery, AL
toBe Destiny: where we are able to move away from expects and non experts
Wainbrave Bernal: another Scotsman
Fleep Tuque: (I just got that for Christmas) :)
Esme Qunhua: I want to be able to manipulate prims (or whatever) with my hands not the keyboard.
Kali Pizzaro: Buddy- bringing together the two is a challenge. how will they relate to each other. the book halting state shows us the best a science fiction book
Jeremy Kabumpo: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halting_State
toBe Destiny: suppliers and consumers
cyber Placebo: what is the name of the book?
Fleep Tuque: Halting State, Charles Stross
Couch Woodget: i would not say its not technology , u r connected 24/7
Buddy Sprocket: halting state by charles stross (not Scottish but lives in edinburgh!)
Kali Pizzaro: Anthony- the wii camera for the top of your tv is available now
Mirt Tenk: Has anyone here used a Novint Falcon? It gives texture, force feedback
Buddy Sprocket: also see invizimals for PSP or EyePet for PS3 ;-)
Fleep Tuque: Or at least Mitch is. :)
Kali Pizzaro: ANthony- the haptic could do this. If i go to the gym you go on the path when you cycle
Mirt Tenk: http://home.novint.com/
Fleep Tuque: nice idea Anthony
Fleep Tuque: ride through Chilbo. :)
Stargazer Blazer: I'm on a bike!
Fleep Tuque nods.
Kali Pizzaro: Anthony- should this be connected to Sl and share that with my friends
Couch Woodget: TED sixth sense technology (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mUdDhWfpqxg
Couch Woodget: how woud this help education ?
Eluzielle Mistwalker: That would be wonderful for many reasons
Fleep Tuque: (That's the one thing we HAVEN'T discussed, privacy)
Fleep Tuque: ;)
toBe Destiny: and in this kind of virtual worlds, are you comfortable with a company owning the infrastructure
toBe Destiny: ?
Buddy Sprocket: @couch that is a great video :-)
Wainbrave Bernal: ok!?! haheehoheehe
Buddy Sprocket: no Im a nite owl
Wainbrave Bernal: oh crud
Ahlan Oh: [ AJ Brooks said ] ----- Jonathan: 1 minute question.
Ahlan Oh: [ AJ Brooks said ] ----- what will we be talking about 1 year from today?
Couch Woodget: thnx buddy
Jarrad Voom: Criticizing LL
Mirt Tenk: Wainbrave Bernal said: iTablet is going to have an impact on VW & mobile interaction
Couch Woodget: jarrad loool
Mirt Tenk: Wainbrave Bernal said: rudimentary augmented reality apps will be discussed
Mirt Tenk: Wainbrave Bernal said: we'll discuss some changes coming this year RE protocols to connect VWs together, and possibly some great SL projects, even some w/LL
Fleep Tuque: WB is taking all the good answers, hush WB!
Fleep Tuque: rofl
Mirt Tenk: Wainbrave Bernal said: we may also discuss great research that impacts ppl in a practical way
Kali Pizzaro: Anthony- i think the obvious and the unfortunate is that none of us will be complaining of what LL has not done
Ahlan Oh: [ AJ Brooks said ] ----- Ken....?
Mirt Tenk: have VWs they're hosting, or have a presence in SL that they wont' have next year?
Ahlan Oh: [ AJ Brooks said ] ----- so you're saying we haven't hit the bottom yet?
Esme Qunhua: Kenny: I think we are going to be talking about the shakedown that will happen this year. Budgets!
Wainbrave Bernal: oh Fleep - you've always got gold nuggets stashed away that I haven't even thought of! nudge, nudge
Fleep Tuque: ;)
IzzyLander Karu: 50
Esme Qunhua: Kenny: Substantive research will become visible.
Ahlan Oh: [ AJ Brooks said ] ----- Daniel...?
Esme Qunhua: Kenny: We will see cross over between VWs and augmented reality
toBe Destiny: i think we will see virtual world become open source and take off into hundreds of separated systems, all which interoperate
Kali Pizzaro: Buddy - i dont know how to follow i think there is still going to be people meeting in sl. open sim will still be pushed on
Couch Woodget: can anyone tell me How can education be implemented by the use of sl when voice (VoIp), (skype) is banned by the country, is it still effective to use sl for education?
toBe Destiny: nods, agreeing
Kali Pizzaro: Buddy- if sL does not improve then SL and open sim may go on diffferent paths
Kali Pizzaro: Buddy- i still think we will be here. similar stories i am afraid
Wainbrave Bernal: let's not be depressed this year
Couch Woodget: :(
Ahlan Oh: [ AJ Brooks said ] ----- last but not least....Chris...?
Mirt Tenk: Fleep Tuque said: I looked @ last year's transcript
Mirt Tenk: Fleep Tuque said: what has changed?
Wainbrave Bernal: Fleep is a rockstar
Mirt Tenk: Fleep Tuque said: I feel more confidence in all of us in the edu community
Stargazer Blazer: You are all rockstars!
Mirt Tenk: Fleep Tuque said: confidence in relationships formed via various soc networking apps
Kali Pizzaro: yeah
toBe Destiny: the reason why those things are banned is part of why one can not move the SL paradigm into countries like your home country, Couch
Kali Pizzaro: hope so
Mirt Tenk: Fleep Tuque said: I hope we'll be discussing about the things the technology makes possible, not the technology, hardware, etc
CallieDel Boa: Yes!
Kali Pizzaro: that is what will win over faculty
Wainbrave Bernal: yeah!!!!
Mirt Tenk: Fleep Tuque said: RE my own experience in SL & how it has made me grow, I've benefitted from collaboration w/others
Ahlan Oh: [ AJ Brooks said ] ----- wow!
Jarrad Voom: Wow
Stargazer Blazer: yay Fleep!
Fleep Tuque: =)
Kenny Hubble: I hope to see all the people on the panel in rl again in 2010!
toBe Destiny: one needs to have some deeper sense that people will uses these tools in a way that is mostly positive
Ahlan Oh: [ AJ Brooks said ] ----- Jonathan was right. that was an awesome nugget!
AnthonyFontana Chevalier: Simteach
Ahlan Oh: [ AJ Brooks said ] ----- are there some best practices sites for those who are just beginning, with justification?
Mirt Tenk: Wainbrave said: there are many places to look
Mirt Tenk: Wainbrave said: many efforts, including Merlot
Fleep Tuque: Simteach, Jokay's site (What's it called now, used to be the sleducation wiki) :)
Zotarah Shepherd: I would still like to know about case studies of how individual people are using VWs for education.
Mirt Tenk: Wainbrave said: we're working to dev the pattern language to ID the 3D portal across VWs
AJ Brooks: almost 30 minutes over and we still have over 50 people on the sim - AWESOME!
Mirt Tenk: Wainbrave said: this will be coming out initially sometime this spring
Mirt Tenk: Wainbrave said: on the SimTeach wiki there's an effort
Mirt Tenk: Wainbrave said: there's the Salamander wiki
Olivia Hotshot: 73 people on the sim.
Mirt Tenk: Wainbrave said: it's now distributed, but I hope w/the right toolset & collaboration
toBe Destiny: pattern language - nice
Mirt Tenk: . . . .
Jeremy Kabumpo: http://simteach.com/sled/db/
Fleep Tuque: SLED! VWER!
Mirt Tenk: Wainbrave said: I wish we had a one-stop shop
Mirt Tenk: Wainbrave said: the nature of this game is . . .
toBe Destiny: yes
Fleep Tuque: Twitter!
Fleep Tuque: :)
Stargazer Blazer: Who is that?
Ahlan Oh: [ AJ Brooks said ] ----- thanks.
Mirt Tenk: Wainbrave said: Immersive Education is looking to create a single place
Ahlan Oh: [ AJ Brooks said ] ----- anyone want to comment on the closure of MetaPlace?
Mirt Tenk: Fleep Tuque said: I was the only one in the central plaza of Metaplace when it closed
Buddy Sprocket: i was there the day before MP closed - it was busy then...
Mirt Tenk: Fleep Tuque said: I think if SL was closing there would be a ton of ppl there
Kali Pizzaro: Anthony- you know there is some good points but my experience was it was not a flash chat room
Wainbrave Bernal: yes - not much in the design of affordances -
Mirt Tenk: interesting that Robin Harper went to consult for Metaplace
Kali Pizzaro: Anthony- it was all text if you have ever tried guya?
Fleep Tuque: (I think those might be Anthony's kids.) :)
AnthonyFontana Chevalier: Gaia Online
Kali Pizzaro: Anthony- once metaplace charged for builds lost me
AnthonyFontana Chevalier: Oops... Kids :P
Wainbrave Bernal: i like Sococo for slim virtual world serious use
Fleep Tuque: hehe
Mirt Tenk: ty WB
Wainbrave Bernal: sorta middleware
Kali Pizzaro: Buddy- it was an easy area to build no learning curve. they di not get a critical mass to get going
Fleep Tuque: Personally, 2.5D never interested me
Wainbrave Bernal: soon will have a Mac client
Fleep Tuque: It felt too 80s
Mirt Tenk: looks just like Farmville to me!
Fleep Tuque: :)
Jarrad Voom: Gia?
Fleep Tuque: Gaia
Mirt Tenk: (Metaplace)
Jarrad Voom: ty Fleep
AnthonyFontana Chevalier: I mentioned Gaia and we're talking about Metaplace
Fleep Tuque: nod
Wainbrave Bernal: yup
Fleep Tuque: Sort of Lively like
Kali Pizzaro: Buddy- it was a strange it was easy to build but not to interact with others. you could embed it in a sloodle webpage which was great but it was not making money
Fleep Tuque: But like Lively, I don't think it's much of a loss because neither of them seemed to offer much for deep engagement (IMO)
Kali Pizzaro: Buddy- probably wise to close it
Ahlan Oh: [ AJ Brooks said ] ----- there's so much we could continue to talk about
Ahlan Oh: [ AJ Brooks said ] ----- we've gone 1/2 hour over our time
toBe Destiny: very good panel discussion --- thank you
AnthonyFontana Chevalier: I have to go... so sorry
Trudy Takacs: very nice discussion, thanks!
CallieDel Boa: Thank you all!
AnthonyFontana Chevalier: in a min
Ahlan Oh: [ AJ Brooks said ] ----- thank you to the smartest people i know.
Kenny Hubble: bon vivance!
Olivia Hotshot claps. Thank you everyone!
Buddy Sprocket: think he must be talking about you fleep!
Ahlan Oh: [ AJ Brooks said ] ----- they are the most amazing minds I've been a colleague to
Fleep Tuque: Thanks all, thanks to the audience too!
Kali Pizzaro: woop woop
Buddy Sprocket: thank you AJ!
CallieDel Boa applauds
Fleep Tuque: Good comments and questions!
Ahlan Oh: [ AJ Brooks said ] ----- [thanks each panelist in turn]
Couch Woodget: pls conact panel
Ahlan Oh: [ AJ Brooks said ] ----- sorry Sarah couldn't be here
Zotarah Shepherd: Awesome panel. Thank you all
Trudy Takacs: woot woot!
Ahlan Oh: [ AJ Brooks said ] ----- and thanks to all of you.
Trudy Takacs: no crashes
AnthonyFontana Chevalier: w00t
Kenny Hubble: what's the count Hotshot?
Ahlan Oh: [ AJ Brooks said ] ----- we had 90 people here at one point
Kali Pizzaro: haha
Profdan Netizen: Excellent discussion, thanks to all.
Ahlan Oh: [ AJ Brooks said ] ----- don't let them fool you. it was laggy, but we accomplished what we needed to
Stargazer Blazer: thanks all you rock stars!
Jarrad Voom: Great job everyone thank you so much.
Esme Qunhua: Excellent, all of you, thanks.
Ahlan Oh: [ AJ Brooks said ] ----- thanks for all the efforts of those who push this work forward.
Eluzielle Mistwalker: Excellent thank you.
Fleep Tuque: And thanks to the transcriptionists too!! Ice packs for your smokin fingers all around. :)
AnthonyFontana Chevalier: Thanks AJ!!!
Ahlan Oh: [ AJ Brooks said ] ----- we're off to an incredible and amazing start.
Trudy Takacs: yes!