Transcript of Virtual Worlds Education Roundtable: Feb. 2, 2010
Topic: "Legal & Ethical Issues in Teaching in Virtual Environment" Special Guests: Hope Botterbusch (SL:Esparanza Freese) and Rosemary Talab (SL:Veronique Ansar)
Thanks to AJ Brooks, Hobbs Constantine, Grinn Pidgeon, and Ihubbenfluff for the photos. Join our VWER group at Flickr and add your own pictures!
AJ Brooks: Hi everyone, and welcome to the Virtual Worlds Education Roundtable meeting.
AJ Brooks: Our meetings are made possible by the Office of Information Technology at Montclair State University. We meet here each week at 2:30pm SLT for an hour.
AJ Brooks: For those sitting up in the amphitheater seating, please come down and join us around the roundtable. There is always an empty seat on the side closest to the ramp.
AJ Brooks: The Virtual Worlds Education Roundtable is a forum to educate and inform the community about issues that are important and relevant to education.
AJ Brooks: The views and opinions of any of our special guests or visitors do not necessarily represent those who volunteer or organize these meetings,
AJ Brooks: or of the College of Humanities and Social Sciences, Office of Information Technology , or Montclair State University.
AJ Brooks: Today's meeting topic is "Legal & Ethical Issues in Teaching in Virtual Environment" We have two guests to help us talk about this today:
AJ Brooks: Hope Botterbusch (SL:Esparanza Freese) and Rosemary Talab (SL:Veronique Ansar).
AJ Brooks: This is a public meeting, so we do keep a transcript of what is said in local chat. For a copy of transcripts, please visit http://www.vwer.org
AJ Brooks: If you've not seen the transcripts, you should check them out - they are a great information asset.
AJ Brooks: The Virtual Worlds Education Roundtable meeting happens each week and we continue to develop a community of educators from around the world with a variety of thoughts, needs, and ideas.
AJ Brooks: Please join the Virtual Worlds Education Roundtable group here in SL. You can also find us on Facebook, LinkedIn, Flicker, and KoinUp, as well as on Twitter as VWER.
AJ Brooks: One programming note, due to an unforeseen scheduling issue, our visit into the Reaction Grid on Monday, February 8th, has to be pushed back.
AJ Brooks: We are currently working on a new date, and it will probably be February 18th. Please IM Olivia Hotshot for details. We'll release more info on this in the next day or so.
AJ Brooks: You will not want to miss next weeks Special Monthly Meeting. My very special guest will be Barry Fishman (SL: Barry Frederick) who just completed his work on
AJ Brooks: President Obama's National Educational Technology Plan Technical Working Group. This promises to be a very interesting interview, and you'll be able to ask questions.
Kali Pizzaro: 46 on the sim for the transcript
AJ Brooks: Finally, if you have Mystitool on, or other similar tool, please put it to sleep or detach it for now. :-) It tends to lag things.
AJ Brooks: Esparanza and I will be using voice chat. For everyone else, we ask that you use local chat for the ongoing conversation.
AJ Brooks: As a hint, it is better to have "local chat" open for these meetings, it will help you follow along better.
AJ Brooks: You can find local chat by clicking COMMUNICATE in the bottom navigation bar and you'll find LOCAL CHAT as one of the tabs at the bottom of the window.
AJ Brooks: To help with this, we are using Google Moderator. It is a web site where you can go to add a question for our guests OR vote on questions that have already been asked.
AJ Brooks: Today we are also going to try something new. The text chat sometimes goes by too quickly for the guests or I to see.
AJ Brooks: The most popular questions will appear on the top of the list, and those are the questions I'll ask our guests in voice chat.
AJ Brooks: There are URL givers on either side of the amphitheater floor and also in the middle of the table.
AJ Brooks: Click on it and you will get a pop up asking you to open a web page, which will open inside the SL browser (you can also click to open it in a regular web browser)
AJ Brooks: Through this site http://www.google.com/moderator/#15/e=3838&t=3838.41 you will ask and vote for questions. You do need a Google account to sign in.
AJ Brooks: Just one more reminder, we ask that everyone sitting in the theater seating join us around the roundtable. There is always an empty seat on side closest to the ramp.
AJ Brooks: Why don't we start off the way we always do, by introducing ourselves. No need to wait, except for our guests, everyone else go ahead and type into local chat now
AJ Brooks: who you are, what you do, and your educational affiliation.
AJ Brooks: My name is AJ Kelton and I am the Director, Emerging Instructional Technology for the College of Humanities and Social Sciences at Montclair State University in Northern New Jersey
Kali Pizzaro: Evelyn McElhinney Glasgow Caledonian University - Nurse Lecturer
Zotarah Shepherd: I am a MA in Education (technology & psychology) student at Sonoma State University in northern California working on a curriculum project: Teaching and Learning Life Foundation Skills in Second Life. Visit my Immersive Interactive Educational builds on Ralanora. I also have a build for Multiple Intelligences on Koru.
Grinn Pidgeon: Dr. Barbara Pittman, Cuyahoga Community College, Cleveland, Ohio. Faculty Development/Instructional technology/English teacher
hobbs Constantine: Heather Dodds, Math and Science Programs Community Facilitator, Western Governors University, the cool one with the iPad
Teachergirl Razor: Carole Farber, Faculty of Information and Media Studies, The University of Western Ontario London Canada
Hattie Haystack: Gail Hanson Brenner, Clinical Nursing Instructor, University of Wisconsin - Eau Claire
Kathryn Pleides is Kathryn Frech, high school librarian in upstate New York
Lyr Lobo: Hello from Lyr Lobo, Professor of Computer Science, Institute for Advanced Studies, Colorado Technical University *grins and waves*
Geoff Lumley is Geoff Barker-Read from the University of Leeds, UK. I'm Head of the Academic Quality and Standards Team
Ilene Pratt: I'm Ilene Pratt - a librarian affiliated with Univ of South Florida in Tampa - and UMUC
Jarrad Voom: Willie Jackson, professor , Pierce College Washington State
Trudy Takacs: Trudy Takacs, Owner, i-Learning Workshops & Coordinator, CT-NY Talent for Growth job training program
Katie Fenstalker: Katie King, Women's Studies, University of Maryland, College Park -- I do work in new media and digital cultures.
Eliza Quixote: Anne Martin, Department of Modern Languages, Wheeler School, Providence, RI
Ju Roussel: J. Stanaityte, PhD student , Stockholm Univ. Sweden
Margaret Michalski: Margart Czart, Research Information Specialist at the Univ. of IL at Chicago
ValentineBouquet Garnet: Dr. Vincenne Revilla Beltran, Professor of education, Point Park University
Legion Charisma: Heather Corley, instructional design grad student, Emporia State University
Deb Quintessa: Debbie Newman, Chief People Person of Working Relationships and proprietor of the Training Town sim here in SL
Firery Broome: Firery Broome- University of Delaware
Teyah Nightfire: Janice Johnson, Chair of Business and IT professor, Shawnee State Univ, Ohio, USA
Dusty Artaud: Randi Kopp, Kidsbridge Tolerance Museum on the campus of The College of New Jersey
Whitehawk Ferina: Bellyn K. Whitteker, teacher, photographer
Ruby Lysette: Jenny Saxton, Librarian, Miami Dade College, Miami FL
Olivia Hotshot: Ann Steckel, Cal State Chico, technology consultant, educator and VWER committee person.
Lindsay Madrigal: I'm Lindsay Kelley, lecturer @ UCSC film & digital media, California US (I'm mostly listening & afk today--quilting in rl!)
Artsy Pixelmaid: Denise Reilley - Educator at College of the Desert Palm Desert, CA I teach Digital Design.
Nukiri Kenin: Dr. John MacDougal, Prof. Biology, Harris-Stowe State univ. St. LOUiS
Sheila Yoshikawa: Sheila Webber, Dept Information Studies, Sheffield University UK
Logos Sohl: Niamh O Riordan, PhD student, University College Cokr, Ireland
Mimi Muircastle: Mimi/Charlotte interested educator VWER active member :)
Io Muggins: Jim Parmentier, Director, Graduate Program in Clinical Investigation, MGH Institute of Health Professions, Boston, MA
GavezDois Decosta: Edgard Costa, teacher, Portugal
Shaw Checchinato: James Shock, HCI graduate student at Iowa State University and technology writer.
Lyr Lobo: yes
Logos Sohl: y
Olivia Hotshot: Yes we can hear
Liana Hubbenfluff: Liana Hubbenfluff Montana State Uni, and Biomimicry Guild
Training Scribe: Larry Straining, CPLP Tulsa Community College, Brown Mackie College Tulsa OK
Kathryn Pleides: the voice is breaking up for me
Margaret Michalski: Breaking a little but fine
Jarrad Voom: LOW
Logos Sohl: ditto
Kali Pizzaro: woop woop
Kali Pizzaro: snort snort
Kali Pizzaro: ;-)
cyber Placebo: Cyber Placebo Victoria Uni of Wellington Language technology Specialist part of library
Kathryn Pleides: it's not too low - it's breaking up
Alun Hastings: Allan Ellis Director of Research Training, School of Commerce and Management, Southern Cross University
Margaret Michalski: Just let me know
Bevan Whitfield: Elisa Butler - International Business Analyst. Social Media & Web 3D. Metanomics/Nokia/Exteme Reality, Inc/Rockcliffe University
Kali Pizzaro: 53 on the sim
Logos Sohl: y
Esparanza Freese: Good Afternoon!
Katie Fenstalker: y
Olivia Hotshot: Yes, perfect
Margaret Michalski: yes
ValentineBouquet Garnet: yes
Esparanza Freese: I'm Hope Botterbusch,
Esparanza Freese: Esparanza Freese in SL,
Veronique Ansar: I'm Professor and Coordinator of the ECDOL program at KSU
Esparanza Freese: Graduate Faculty at Kansas State University.
Esparanza Freese: I also manage a sim for NOAA at SciLands that is designed to showcase coral reef research and recreational diving. My colleague is Dr. Rosemary Talab, Veronique Ansar in SL, Professor at Kansas State University College of Education and Coordinator of Educational Computing, Design, and Online Learning.
Esparanza Freese: Dr. Talab and I are collaborators on two research projects about Ethical and Legal Issues in Teaching & Learning in a Second Life Graduate Online Course. Today, we are going to introduce those findings to you and open the floor for your discussion. Before we begin, would you please click on the trunk to get the notecards for an outline of our topic and a bibliography of our publications about our research. Our project began with me developing a course entitled Virtual Learning: Second Life - Teaching and Learning in Virtual Worlds
AJ Brooks: and don't forget to post questions to the Google Moderator
Esparanza Freese: The first course was held in January 2009. We chose the research topic of Ethical and Legal Issues because Ethical & Legal Issues owned by Esparanza Freese gave you 'Ethical & Legal Issues' ( http://slurl.com/secondlife/Montclair%20State%20CHSSSouth/131/114/21 ).
Esparanza Freese: Dr. Talab and I spent the last 25 years researching and writing about Educational Copyright Issues.
Olivia Hotshot: IF you cannot see the boxes to click IM me and i will send to you.
Esparanza Freese: We were active in AECT on the K-State Course owned by Esparanza Freese gave you 'Virtual Learning: Second Life Course Description' ( http://slurl.com/secondlife/Montclair%20State%20CHSSSouth/129/114/21 ). Intellectual Property Taskforce and between us we have an extensive bibliography of publication, research, and presentations. Dr. Talab and I have a partnership where I teach the course in Second Life and she conducts the research. During the first semester I taught the course, Dr. Talab interviewed my students and me to get our impressions about the ethical and legal issues we encountered during the semester.
Esparanza Freese: That research resulted in 9 general guidelines for teaching in virtual worlds.
1. Have students sign a memo of understanding that includes:
--they read the TOS and Community Standards of each virtual world,
--they understand there is a mature side of virtual worlds,
--they hold the university harmless if they encounter unpleasant things in virtual worlds.
Esparanza Freese: Some Virtual World attorneys will argue that these MOUs do not hold up in court, but we think they are useful to demonstrate the students' understanding and the universities liability.But university attorneys find it useful.
2. Before leaving the virtual classroom, teach students about ethical and legal issues in virtual worlds. But make it a positive experience, use good humor and sound judgment.
3. Create exercises with students in which they problem solve difficult situations, such as being harassed, captured, or griefed, so that they can determine their options before handling these situations.
4. Teach students how to teleport home or to a safe place should they become uncomfortable with any situation.
5. Take students on guided virtual field trips before sending them out on their own to explore. This provides a comfort level for students and demonstrates that exploring virtual places is fun, informative, and exciting.
6. Teach students how to identify textures and objects that are copyrighted and trademarked in RL. Examples are Gucci shoes, Louis Vuitton purses, Nike products; these are all copyrighted, trademarked or both in RL.
7. Teach students to read avatar profiles prior to offering or accepting friendship of others. Have them understand that safety and privacy is as important in virtual worlds as it is any place on the Internet. Have them also understand there are people who prefer to hide their true identities in virtual worlds, so they may not be exactly who they say they are in their profiles.
8. Discuss guidelines for uploading music. While music can be uploaded to most virtual worlds, it is illegal to do so except under the fair use guidelines, and then it needs to be 10 seconds or less.
9. If students are sent out to search for items, Have students understand that music must be licensed to be streamed in virtual worlds. Then let them be prepared ahead of time for Mature role playing should be openly discussed what may or may not happen. and role playing activities and procedures should be included in your curriculum.
Esparanza Freese: These 9 guidelines are meant to be discussed in positive ways so that students understand the unpleasant aspects of virtual worlds, and be prepared to deal with them with confidence, if they should occur.
Esparanza Freese: After presenting these issues, then demonstrate to students the positive potential of virtual worlds for teaching and learning.
Esparanza Freese: Now, we open the floor to you for discussion.
Birdie Newcomb: It might be good to ask which students have already visited SL, to share their knowledge
Olivia Hotshot: me!!
Veronique Ansar: No. I work with university students. K-12 does, on occasion.
Kali Pizzaro: note for your questions or post a question in google moderator
Logos Sohl: We have a usage policy for all our students for the web. They sign when they set up accounts in our labs.
Olivia Hotshot: Thank you.
Kali Pizzaro: the mou asr only for VW because she does not do web 2.0
Veronique Ansar: I have found that K12 usage policies are a great idea and I prefer that they be part of a blanket permission.
Olivia Hotshot: chuckling
Kali Pizzaro: How long does this take out of course time
Kali Pizzaro: it is incorporated throughout the course
Kali Pizzaro: 1-2 topics at a time it is ongoing
Veronique Ansar: Not really, now.
Veronique Ansar: Hall Davidson has a nice chart and a website
Kali Pizzaro: Leanna - She needs a good copyright source for photos in SL
Veronique Ansar: Just google for him
Zotarah Shepherd: I would either require a prerequisite course of SL skills or take them to one of the Orientation sims like Virtual Abilities, ISTE or NMC etc.
Veronique Ansar: Espie has a nice notecard on pictures from Flickr, etc.
AJ Brooks: questions to be voted on - please vote - and add your thoughts
Sheila Yoshikawa: you can search for creative commons licensed stuff on flickr
Liana Hubbenfluff: thx
Kali Pizzaro: Loose guidelines digital guidelines
Veronique Ansar: cage
Lyr Lobo: Wiley publishing, when asked about the photos for the Second Life for Dummies book, noted that photos without the SL interface in them are the property of the person who took the photo. The SL interface is property of Linden Lab.
Kali Pizzaro: ANN- Have you ever had tricky situations
Kathryn Pleides: Caging is usu. griefing, not role-playing!
Veronique Ansar: SL allows intellectual property rights for photos taken by users in SL. SL has the highest degree of IP rights
Hypatia Pickens: Agreed!!
Kali Pizzaro: Gamers knew what to do
Kali Pizzaro: others not so good
Veronique Ansar: True, but There is good
AJ Brooks: http://www.google.com/moderator/#15/e=3838&t=3838.41 vote for questions or add your own
Olivia Hotshot: yay!! Great story!
Hypatia Pickens: How about teleport anywhere?
Kali Pizzaro: Students asked what do you in a bad situation other student tp home
Logos Sohl: you can sit your way out of cages sometimes too...
Zotarah Shepherd: I sit on a cage, rez a box and sit on it and move the box out of the cage or TP away.
Kali Pizzaro: so they follow rule - tp home
Hypatia Pickens: If you can build.
Veronique Ansar: I had several examples of griefing in my research. Researchers find it quite common
Zotarah Shepherd: Follow cages are a pain though. hehe
Hypatia Pickens: don't know of those!!!
Kali Pizzaro: yep
Zotarah Shepherd: I teach classes in griefing issues.
Kali Pizzaro: find a home yep that is what i do
Lyr Lobo: Follow objects knock a user to the edge of a property...pushing a user.
Zotarah Shepherd: You can also report griefers to LL or the sim owner.
Veronique Ansar: True. This is true in all social virtual worlds
Kali Pizzaro: Aj that is a great idea especial if they are going out and about in SL
Lyr Lobo: Always take a photo of the griefing. I forgot to do that on 3 occasions due to reports while I was not on the property.
Lyr Lobo: Required by Linden Lab in my report abuse reports
Kali Pizzaro: A guided virtual tour is done first but tools and rules help them when they are out and about themselves
Veronique Ansar: There are many IP aspects to SL and virtual worlds and also many ethical issues
Kali Pizzaro: Do you explore illegal download
Kali Pizzaro: yes texture, music but no the focus
Kali Pizzaro: if the course
Veronique Ansar: The Magic Circle Test is used to determine when a virtual world activity becomes a real-world activity and subject to rw law
Kali Pizzaro: Many IP and ethical issues
Kali Pizzaro: what is the magic circle test - AJ
Zotarah Shepherd: Since I was asked. Yes the Griefing Issues workshops are open to everyone. I am glad to do those on request for groups - free
AJ Brooks: Please go vote on existing questions or ask your own http://www.google.com/moderator/#15/e=3838&t=3838.41
Veronique Ansar: It is when a user should reasonably be expected to know when an act has a real-world consequence. usually this is for RMT real money trade
Veronique Ansar: SL, There and others have RMT
Veronique Ansar: Duranske, Virtual Law
Trudy Takacs: why called magic circle?
Kali Pizzaro: yeah do the same rules not apply for all copyright in teaching
Veronique Ansar: It's From Homo Ludens by Huizinga
Sheila Yoshikawa: hmm I don't see why SL is not subject to RL law anyway? isn't is more a question of - which country's laws apply?
Ilene Pratt: Book title: Virtual Law: Navigating the Legal Landscape of Virtual Worlds
Kali Pizzaro: indeed Sheila
CathyWyo1 Haystack: Sl is subject to RL law
Veronique Ansar: Yes
Dusty Artaud: Ben Duranske
Veronique Ansar: We have a bibliography in the notecards
Kathryn Pleides: there are Fair Use guidelines which apply to education, face to face teaching, in the US.
Dusty Artaud: he has spoken in SL
Olivia Hotshot: We do that as well.
Kali Pizzaro: ok next question -
Olivia Hotshot: AJ, shall we remove our own?
Kali Pizzaro: what is the greatest problem you have faced getting learning environments into SL
Kali Pizzaro: mmm
Kali Pizzaro: what do you mean shaw
Kali Pizzaro: use local chat
Shaw Checchinato: in bringing a learning situation here...what is the biggest problem you have faced?
Hypatia Pickens: Good point.
Lyr Lobo: good point -- I put a creative commons share alike license on my work so that others may use the items
AJ Brooks: Shaw - what do you mean "learning situation"
Olivia Hotshot: I just added a question similar to this
Kali Pizzaro: one of the greatest problems is a ethical issue. some educators think other educators can take other folks stuff without acknowledging them
Kali Pizzaro: someone took the stuff and not acknowledged the source
Kali Pizzaro: not good
Io Muggins: This isn't a SL issue .. .it is an Internet issue.
Hypatia Pickens: Interesting.
Lyr Lobo: yes
Kali Pizzaro: I have copyright from a publisher to use heart sounds in SL
Mimi Muircastle: and, way to common in educ. in RL - just easier in SL and online :(
CathyWyo1 Haystack: Wow I have gathered a lot of materials from SL
cyber Placebo: what is the name of the script AJ?
Olivia Hotshot: I use it for content if i want to see if it is worth using or not.
Zotarah Shepherd: I didn't know there was such a script.
CathyWyo1 Haystack: just to review ..I don't teach in SL or in RL
Olivia Hotshot: Cyber can look later too
Logos Sohl: I don't enjoy the way surveillance exists in here. That I can spy on other avs from afar. That I can watch where people are looking in here right now...
CathyWyo1 Haystack: but never thought of it as a problem....
Hypatia Pickens: CC International is a good group to belong to for technical questions....
Zotarah Shepherd: There is no privacy in SL
Hypatia Pickens: there is no ....
Dusty Artaud: gee AJ does this mean I have to return your coffee pot?
Hypatia Pickens: snap!
Zotarah Shepherd: Yeah true
CathyWyo1 Haystack: no so true
Kali Pizzaro: however a no copy no modify etc
Hypatia Pickens: LOL
Kali Pizzaro: no privacy anywhere
Zotarah Shepherd: hehe
CathyWyo1 Haystack: now I have to dig thought my inventory ..
hobbs Constantine: lol
Veronique Ansar: There are even notary businesses in SL BTW
CathyWyo1 Haystack: through
Liana Hubbenfluff: There are detective agencies in SL that DO investigate problems
Logos Sohl: Actually thats why I'm not using google moderator... i havent had a chance to look up its privacy policy
CathyWyo1 Haystack: Notary?
Zotarah Shepherd: First Life
Veronique Ansar: Yes
Kali Pizzaro: Do you provide students with actual world consequences of breaking copyright
Kali Pizzaro: is that correct
Kali Pizzaro: a list of references is available for the students about copyright
Shaw Checchinato: huh?
Kali Pizzaro: haha
Veronique Ansar: They do need training. Over 18 students require different usage policy guidelines than K-12, but the TOS, Community Standards, and EULAs are necessary for students to read and sign off. We have an example of one.
Hypatia Pickens: How did she kill him? I've heard of someone removing somebody else's entire inventory
Lyr Lobo: an account comes with resources that cost money to create/maintain...
Kali Pizzaro: there will be more litigation around Sl
Olivia Hotshot: Hypatia, she chopped of his head and then removed it from his inventory. =)
Veronique Ansar: There is a fair amount of litigation in SL, already.
Hypatia Pickens: LOL
Veronique Ansar: Tell about Wetherby's
Kali Pizzaro: students over 18 need different terms of reference than K-12
Veronique Ansar: K-12 need a parental signoff and over 18 has to do it themselves
Kali Pizzaro: Wetherby's was destroyed by a business partner and ll had to sort it
Grinn Pidgeon: For example if you required students to display objects or text that would be graded, even though the grade is private. Graded work is a student record.
Veronique Ansar: It can, but the MOU does it pretty well. FERPA varies with the world and the student.
Veronique Ansar: Student age
Veronique Ansar: It's a US Act
Veronique Ansar: However, if it goes to other countries, we do not know what the jurisdiction would be. Ask the attorneys about that, since classes are conducted in SL by US universities in other countries.
AJ Brooks: Go vote on questions - http://www.google.com/moderator/#15/e=3838&t=3838.41
Veronique Ansar: Some universities have campuses in other countries
Olivia Hotshot: it rocks
Veronique Ansar: Griefing
Kali Pizzaro: Pie - what are the biggest ip challenges for educators
Veronique Ansar: Trademark and copyright of images
Pi Numbers: Sorry - the question was about non-IP related issues... is there anything out there besides intellectual property concerns?
Kali Pizzaro: Veronique - a canvas state flag fly's in Sl - copyright should have been sorted before selling or creating that flag
Veronique Ansar: Logos are a big problem too
Olivia Hotshot: we have specific rules here on images we can use in SL that are owned by the univ
Logos Sohl: I resent that, lol...
Hypatia Pickens: someone said griefing
Veronique Ansar: Faculty have IP problems with materials that they create in SL
Birdie Newcomb: Copyright is complicated by the Creative Commons movement
Rachelle Munro: Yes, I've found our university logos also at various stores
Pi Numbers: Okay - it is fine - thank you.
Trudy Takacs: ha
Sheila Yoshikawa: copyright is part of IP (by international definition) - sorry, being pedantic ;-)
Kali Pizzaro: Do you cover the peril of SL addiction
Pi Numbers: but you're right, Sheila
Kali Pizzaro: yes they have to keep a diary to see if they are getting addicted
Shaw Checchinato: SL addiction has even been in the news.
Kali Pizzaro: do not spend more than 2 hours in Sl
Dusty Artaud: SL needs and egg timer
Veronique Ansar: Some faculty are worried because objects developed in SL can be used/taken by the department, so clear faculty guidelines are needed for what faculty own in SL and other virtual worlds
Jarrad Voom: uh two hours only
Whitehawk Ferina: lol easier said than done!
Coinneach Brunswick: i like the addiction
Zotarah Shepherd: I go way over 2 hours.
Kali Pizzaro: me too
Sheila Yoshikawa: yes we may not be the best people to warn against addiction ;-)
Sheila Yoshikawa: or perhaps we are - we know the signs!
Rachelle Munro: put a timer by the laptop...easy to say, hard to do!
Veronique Ansar: Be clear as to what is "work for hire" and what is not
Kali Pizzaro: Aj- I own my avatar as far as i am concerned
Kali Pizzaro: I can give them an avatar with all the Montclair stuff
Kali Pizzaro: when i leave
CathyWyo1 Haystack: I do have a work avatar as well
Logos Sohl: THis is something I've discussed with others too
Veronique Ansar: Faculty members may need that in writing
Hypatia Pickens: Isn't that interesting philosophically!
Logos Sohl: The branding of avatars is important
Kali Pizzaro: My folk dont care for my avatar
CathyWyo1 Haystack: that is tough in this day and age isn't it/
Olivia Hotshot: we have the same thing at Chico. it is also important for collaboration
CathyWyo1 Haystack: so much of work and play is done on Internet
AJ Brooks: http://www.google.com/moderator/#15/e=3838&t=3838.41 Go vote for your favorite questions
Wena Merlin: when it's taking over your RL
Veronique Ansar: Not sure, but if vw take more time than eating or sleeping it's not good. I worry about those who do not have a balance
Ilene Pratt: It's addiction when your family and friends start complaining that they can't get your attention <grin>
Shaw Checchinato: when it starts to circumvent a healthy being in RL?
Logos Sohl: Compulsion = addiction in my mind
Veronique Ansar: Good
CathyWyo1 Haystack: O-o
Liana Hubbenfluff: 11 times!!
Kali Pizzaro: SL, iphone, web, FB ahahhahahahha
Deb Quintessa: the avoidance or use becomes the factor around which your life is organized
Hypatia Pickens: Agreed Logos
Zotarah Shepherd: Very little of my time is purely social, but I enjoy all of it.
CathyWyo1 Haystack: wow maybe marriage in Second Life isn't a good thing for that person
Composite Maven: over the years, something (Bridge, Dungeons/Dragons, Doom) have addicted students and cost them in grades.
Sheila Yoshikawa: some of my students did searches on internet and SL addiction - as part of preparation & also as a problem solving exercise - they identified inidcators of internet addiction from the literature - that was useful
Hypatia Pickens: because there are addictive/compulsive behaviors NOT in VWs
Deb Quintessa: may also interfere with normal life functioning
Kali Pizzaro: Do you know of any resources for plagiarism
Zotarah Shepherd: First Life must come first.
Veronique Ansar: Duranske has a fabulous book. None better and it addresses most of these issues.
Sheila Yoshikawa: seemed like the internet addiction indicators pretty much applied to SL
Hypatia Pickens: Excessive research and revision can interfere with normal human functioning. :)
Veronique Ansar: There is a fair amount of legal literature on virtual property
Composite Maven: lol
Veronique Ansar: Yes
CathyWyo1 Haystack: It is good
Veronique Ansar: Yes chat logs, dialogs and more are subject to law and the rules of evidence
Olivia Hotshot: 4 more minutes
Kali Pizzaro: 50 on the sim
Olivia Hotshot: Thank you for such amazing answers.
Shaw Checchinato: SL and virtual law has changed so much since 2004.
Veronique Ansar: Sure
Pi Numbers: Thank you.
Hypatia Pickens: Trying to!!
Kali Pizzaro: have any of your students went on to start a business, or build in SL
Veronique Ansar: One will be teaching computer science classes in SL
Veronique Ansar: Most are educators
Coinneach Brunswick: Professor is being modest..
Kali Pizzaro: she expects students will out skill her
Veronique Ansar: Yes, it can, depending on what the university and faculty understand to be "work for hire" Very important
Kali Pizzaro: if the uni owns the avatar is all the work you do owned by the uni
Veronique Ansar: The faculty member needs it in writing if it is NOT work for hire
Birdie Newcomb: then you don't have a leg to stand on
Sheila Yoshikawa: in the uk it would be whether it was within the work that was expected from your job description, or what was normally expected from someone at your grade/level
Veronique Ansar: It depends on the IP policy of the university. Read it
Kali Pizzaro: but you are allowed to write evaluate and publish about it
Veronique Ansar: I had a problem with this, myself
Trudy Takacs: thank you!!!!!
Sheila Yoshikawa: i think, e.g. if i'm creating stuff for a module that i teach as a core part of my job
Ilene Pratt: and it depends on what you might be able to negotiate with your university - ask!
Grinn Pidgeon: Thanks
Trudy Takacs: Yes!
Eliza Quixote: Thanks so much!
Graceful Aeon: thanks... great info!!!
Logos Sohl claps
Veronique Ansar: Yes
cyber Placebo: thank you!!!
Liana Hubbenfluff: thanks I look forward to the transcript
Lindsay Madrigal: thank you!
Training Scribe: Thank you for all the valuable information.
Esparanza Freese: thank you for having us
Io Muggins: tx jp
Shaw Checchinato: very nice.
Lyr Lobo: Thank you *smiles*
Artsy Pixelmaid: Thanks
Sheila Yoshikawa: thanks to you
Liana Hubbenfluff: who to send pictures to?
Mimi Muircastle: excellent information - much food for thought - thank you both!
Alun Hastings: great session
Kali Pizzaro: thanks guys
Alan Sandalwood: Thank you all
Kali Pizzaro: fantastic
Sheila Yoshikawa: pics to the flick pool!
Katie Fenstalker: the transcript is something I have been looking for for a while. THX>
Jarrad Voom: Great session
Sheila Yoshikawa: flickr, sorry, vwer
Deb Quintessa: .-'`'-. APPLAUSE APPLAUSE .-'`'-.
Jarrad Voom: thanks everyone.
Margaret Michalski: Thank You
Veronique Ansar: Thank you all!
Hypatia Pickens: APPLAUSE!!!!
Hypatia Pickens claps wildly ***JUST AWESOME***
Esparanza Freese: thank you all
Katie Fenstalker: clap!
ValentineBouquet Garnet: wonderful program
Post-session Q&A:
Questions from Google Moderator for the February 2 VWER Presentation by Hope Botterbusch and Rosemary Talab:
Responses are from Hope Botterbusch:
1. What is your vision for the technical or in-world solutions that could resolve these ip and copyright issues given that legislation is a long way away from being able to deal with them?
This is an interesting question and one I had not before considered. When all people learn how to set permission correctly, then there will be less theft in SL. However, even setting permissions correctly can still result in theft, as people are very clever in getting around those constraints. I think that Linden Labs has a responsibility to assist residents when their content is stolen. Until they do that with more consistency there is not much that can be done, except to take thieves to a real court of law. We all know that is a costly endeavor.
I would think a possible solution would be for someone to create a script that would make it impossible for anyone to copy or photograph content. But then, I am not a scripter.
2. I wonder if students' "exploration" research might require discussion about rights & credit as with open source software practices (sl "hobo") or ethnography practices?
a. I think it’s important to discuss legal and ethical issues in teaching and learning in virtual worlds in any course that is being taught in a virtual world.
b. When is something encountered in SL considered "public"/fair use if ever?
The four factors of what determines a use, fair use are:
1. the purpose and character of your use
2. the nature of the copyrighted work
3. the amount and substantiality of the portion taken, and
4. the effect of the use upon the potential market.
I think that I can make a case for what I create to teach in my SL classes in Second Life can fall well within the boundaries of Fair Use.
3. Do you have any advice for people who write lots of content on note cards, on how to keep it as their property? Do we publish it in 2 places? The net and SL?
Note cards, just as any object created in SL, have permission rights that can be set. if you want to give that note card to someone else, just set the permissions correctly so they cannot modify it, copy it, or transfer it. Or set to whatever you want them to do or not to do with the note card. Only full perm objects can be modified, copied, or transferred.
4. Do you have any examples of when these ideas helped you out of a sticky situation and if so, how did you use them?
Yes, I went to a freebie mall once and someone I didn't know asked to animate my avatar. I quickly read his profile and learned he was a vampire. So I teleported home to safety.
Vampires in SL earn points for every avatar they can animate. Being bitten by a vampire does not hurt your avatar; however, it does perpetuate, what is in my opinion, unethical behavior. But that is a personal choice for each one of us to make.
Another situation that happened was that I was invited to teleport to what a new friend called, "a safe location". When I arrived, it looked like I was in a box void of anything else except my friend. The next thing that appeared was a friend of his who seemed to take great delight in me being "captured". In my defense, I teleported a friend of mine to the space and she scared off the other two just with her presence. My friend said she thought they were trying to hack into my computer.
5. what counts as addiction?
A positive addiction is a beneficial habit--where the benefits outweigh the costs. A negative addiction is a detrimental habit--where the benefits are not worth the costs. A neutral addiction is a habit in which it is not clear if a person benefits from the activity.
In my opinion, each person has to determine if they have an addition or not to SL. I think that if a person is in SL more than “real life”, that time spent in SL has a negative effect on their real life, that they have engaged in a romantic relationship with someone in SL and they are married in RL, then that is a negative addiction.
6. Does Second Life educational activities take longer, and is it worth the time?
There is a definite learning curve to SL or any virtual world. The time it takes to do activities in SL depends on the skill level of each person. Of course, with practice, abilities become greater and quicker. However, when you get a group of people together, you will have a variety of skill levels and the longer it may take to complete an activity. That is why the constructionist style of teaching works well in the virtual world environment. Everyone helps everyone else.