Transcript of Virtual Worlds Education Roundtable: July 13, 2010
Iggy's Notes: Thanks to Grinn Pidgeon & Sheila Webber for the photos. Join our VWER group at Flickr and add your own pictures!
AJ Brooks: Hi everyone, and welcome to the Virtual Worlds Education Roundtable meeting.
Olivia Hotshot: holy mackeral
AJ Brooks: Our meetings are made possible by the Office of Information Technology at Montclair State University. We meet here each week at 2:30pm SLT for an hour.
Grinn Pidgeon: hello
AJ Brooks: For those sitting up in the amphitheater seating, please come down and join us around the roundtable. There is always an empty seat on the side closest to the ramp.
Profdan Netizen: Hi, everyone.
AJ Brooks: Our topic today is "Do virtual worlds enhance the learning experience?"
AJ Brooks: The Virtual Worlds Education Roundtable is a forum to educate and inform the community about issues that are important and relevant to education.
Olivia Hotshot: Hi dan, hello Professor Noarlunga
AJ Brooks: The views and opinions of any of our special guests or visitors do not necessarily represent those who volunteer or organize these meetings,
Professor Noarlunga: hi everyone....(waiting to rez!)
Kali Pizzaro: Have a seat folks
AJ Brooks: or of the College of Humanities and Social Sciences, Office of Information Technology , or Montclair State University.
Katya Anatine: Hi all!
AJ Brooks: This is a public meeting, so we do keep and publish a transcript of what is said in local chat. For a copy of transcripts, please visit http://www.vwer.org
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: It's a slow-rez kinda day
AJ Brooks: If you've not seen the transcripts, you should check them out - they are a great information asset.
AJ Brooks: The Virtual Worlds Education Roundtable meeting happens each week and we continue to develop a community of educators from around the world with a variety of thoughts, needs, and ideas.
Professor Noarlunga: whoa!
AJ Brooks: Please join the Virtual Worlds Education Roundtable group here in SL. You can also find us on Facebook and Flickr by our full name and Twitter @VWER.
Cooper Macbeth: Voice?
Olivia Hotshot: is anyone else seeing this besides me?
Olivia Hotshot: no Cooper, text today
AJ Brooks: When you blog or tweet, please remember to use the hashtag #vwer (IM me if you're not sure what that means)
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: no voice--just our happy fingers today :)
Grinn Pidgeon: yep
Olivia Hotshot: wow
Zola Zsun: everyone disappeared
Zola Zsun: almost
AJ Brooks: The VWER is looking to improve its web presence. If you have experience in that area and might be willing to volunteer some times, please IM me.
JeanClaude Vollmar: Cool effect there.
Zola Zsun: strange happenings
AJ Brooks: For those not familiar with these type of text chat meetings, as a hint, it is better to have your "local chat" open, it will help you follow along better.
Ignatius Onomatopoeia waves at Zola and promises not to be so snarky today
AJ Brooks: As a reminder, we do ask that everyone sitting in the theater seating join us around the roundtable. There is always an empty seat on side closest to the ramp.
Cooper Macbeth: Is there voice?
AJ Brooks: Finally, if you have Mystitool on, or other similar tool, please put it to sleep or detach it for now. :-) It tends to lag things.
Olivia Hotshot: No cooper - it is text
AJ Brooks: One more announcement, before we get started - as many of you know, the VWER will be a Community Sponsor for the Second Life Community Convention (SLCC), which will take place
AJ Brooks: August 13-15 in Boston, with some sessions streamed into SL.
AJ Brooks: A few people got together and came up with this idea originally, but then we also decided to let others join in if they wanted, so we created the "Sponsor the Sponsorship" Campaign.
AJ Brooks: We started out at a Level 8 Sponsorship but thanks to the generosity of about a dozen people (and one in particular),
AJ Brooks: we have now reached Level 5, which is the highest Community Sponsorship available. Our next goal is to hold a competition and provide one person with a paid registration to the convention.
AJ Brooks: We only need about $75 to reach that goal, and if we do, I'll be posting details on how VWER members (Facebook or in-world group) can try to apply for the registration.
AJ Brooks: In order to support this effort, via Paypal, visit this page http://bit.ly/aRma0I I've also put a URL giver in the middle of the roundtable with the link.
AJ Brooks: One important note, although the Paypal page uses the word "donation", the VWER is not a tax exempt organization and any funds provided are not tax deductible.
AJ Brooks: Please let me or Olivia Hotshot know if you have any questions.
JeanClaude Vollmar: LOL
AJ Brooks: Why don't we start off the way we always do, by introducing ourselves. No need to wait, go ahead and type into local chat now
AJ Brooks: Let us know who you are, what you do, and your educational affiliation.
AJ Brooks: My name is AJ Kelton and I am the Director, Emerging Instructional Technology for the College of Humanities and Social Sciences at Montclair State University in New Jersey
Ignatius Onomatopoeia is Joe Essid, Dept. of Rhetoric and Communication Studies. I'm the University of Richmond's Writing Center and Writing Across the Curriculum Director. I've taught four courses with SL. I'm part of a design team building an immersive simulation of Poe's House of Usher. This simulation debuted in the 2009-2010 academic year.
AJ Brooks:
Kali Pizzaro: Evelyn McElhinney Nurse Lecturer Glasgow Caledonian Uni
Grinn Pidgeon: Dr. Barbara Pittman, Cuyahoga Community College, Cleveland, Ohio. Faculty Development/Instructional technology/English teacher
Professor Noarlunga: Scott Diener, Associate Director, IT Services - The University of Auckland, New Zealand
Profdan Netizen: Dan Holt, Lansing Community College, Lansing, Michigan. I teach writing, first year comp and creative writing.
Meredith Winslet: Hi -- I'm a history instructor at TCC and work in a library...
Jennette Forager: Janalee Redmond, Washington, DC- Director of The Epoch Institute and Community Manager for Metanomics
Zola Zsun: Zola Zsun/Linda Lindseyy-UTSA
Katya Anatine: I'm faculty in St. Louis, Educational Studies
Brenda Jericho: Brenda Kerr (Brenda Jericho), Instructional Technology Specialist at Middle Tennessee State University
JeanClaude Vollmar: I'm Jeff Le Blanc from the University of Northwestern Ohio. I'm the VP for Information Technology there.
Janor Slichter is Neal Helman, ex-educator w/no current affiliation
Gempf Oh: I'm Mr Oh.... I grew up right near Montclair now teach at London School of Theology in England.
Sheila Yoshikawa: Sheila Webber outside SL, teach in the Department of Information Studies, the iSchool, University of Sheffield, UK
Sabastian Braveheart: Teacher Bris Qld Australia
Graham Mills: Peter Miller, biologist, University of Liverpool
Dabici Straulino: I am dabici, relatively new in SLinternational distant student at Buffalo State in Creativity and change leadership
Olivia Hotshot: Ann Steckel, California State University Chico, techie and long time educator, currently designing CLIVE island and working on the safaris along with maintaining 2 campuses.
Dabici Straulino: dabici is Nicole from Quebec
AJ Brooks: who else?
AJ Brooks: anyoen who hasn't introduced themselves yet?
Cooper Macbeth: Cooper Macbeth, cognitive researcher in mathematical pedagogy. (sounds good)
Sam55 Chester: I teach Writing and Composition at National Park Community College
Facilitate Clarity: Roberta Kilkenny, Hunter College, CUNY
AJ Brooks: anyone else?
AJ Brooks: going once
AJ Brooks: going twice
AJ Brooks: sold to the lady in the Elizabethan dress
Kali Pizzaro: 26 for the transcript
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: woot
AJ Brooks: Ok - so, today our topic is - "Do virtual worlds enhance the learning experience"
AJ Brooks: one important note
AJ Brooks: this was a topic suggested by a member
AJ Brooks: in our Google Moderator stream
AJ Brooks: you can suggest topics and vote for once that have already been suggested there
AJ Brooks: IM me if you'd like the link for that
Kali Pizzaro: come sit at the table folks
AJ Brooks: we also post it in our email announcements
AJ Brooks: so - do we think virtual worlds enhance the learning experience?
Grinn Pidgeon: do books?
AJ Brooks: lol
AJ Brooks: do they?
Sheila Yoshikawa: I would say - "it depends"
Janor Slichter: depends on what you do with them
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: be careful ya'll. Hamlet Au asked me to report on this meeting. It's been a hot topic at NWN
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: I'll have his Q to us in a bit
Zola Zsun: well one thing is for sure it can enhance the distance learning experience :)
Kali Pizzaro: yep depends on how you use them
AJ Brooks: ok
Kali Pizzaro: helps with socialisation and immersion
AJ Brooks: so - if we think it can, then how
Nev Loring: Virtual worlds give nice additional abilities to normal life. I mean, flying.
Jennette Forager: Better retention...
Dabici Straulino: great potential to diversify format for distance learning not only reading and writing
Cooper Macbeth: The ability to manipulate and change viewpoints of some mathematical constructs (like NUMBERS) is very difficult spatially and temporally, SO absolutely!!!
Sheila Yoshikawa: like any environment, depends on how you have designed the learning teaching & assessment, who the learners are, what the learning outcomes are ...
AJ Brooks: how does flying enhance learning?
Kali Pizzaro: the use of multimodal media
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: immersion in a good simulation cannot but help--but "enhance" is a tricky word. How do you measure it?
Nev Loring: let's people express themselves
Janor Slichter: virtual presence allow a group to create an identity that can be socially helpful for learning
Kali Pizzaro: helps to engage the students
Kali Pizzaro: and me
Kali Pizzaro: hehe
Meredith Winslet: Agreed.There's potential.
Cooper Macbeth: @AJ, how does walking enhance learning? or crawling? or swimming?
Kali Pizzaro: synchronous chat helps
AJ Brooks: I'm not sure walking DOES enhance those things
Meredith Winslet: Some people learn that way. hehe
Olivia Hotshot waits with baited breath for AJ's answer on walking
Olivia Hotshot: are we talking SL walking?
AJ Brooks: lol - well, I think one can learn without walking
Dabici Straulino: great point, it depends what your learning preferences are
Jennette Forager: walking and crawling pattern the brain, Cooper. Prepare it for later learning.
Zola Zsun: i think it is the ability to experience the same environment with the others with whom you are interacting... just like we do in rl that makes a difference
Jennette Forager: ;-)
Cooper Macbeth: Hard to move your senses around and experience different patterns if you don't move.
Profdan Netizen: Actually, walking does enhance learning--light exercise does, at least!
Ewan Bonham: Does it not depend on the type of course?
AJ Brooks: preferences? hmm - that has mostly been debunked in scientific research
Ewan Bonham: mine would be largely field interaction
Nev Loring: Avatars as a whole grant people faces when otherwise thety are just voices and faces, if even that
Gempf Oh: VRs are unique in allowing synchronous interaction while apparently experiencing the same environment. (smiles at Zola who types quicker)
Zola Zsun: :)
Kali Pizzaro: it allows for a number of learning styles
AJ Brooks: learning styles?
AJ Brooks: :)
Kali Pizzaro: text visual etc
AJ Brooks: and that is a good thing?
Kali Pizzaro: can be
Cooper Macbeth: Possibly a disagreement in the term 'learning' is appearing.
AJ Brooks nods
AJ Brooks: ok - cooper - go on
Ewan Bonham: mnay styles and methods to learning
Cooper Macbeth: Just wondered with the various verbal interactions if we were all in accord.
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: agreed. But how do we report "enhancement" even if we agree on what is "learning"? That's part of what Au put to me in his question.
Janor Slichter: the creative nature of a virtual world holds the most potential for learning, IMO... building, scripting, interacting with stuff... active learning
AJ Brooks: well - I think the definition of "learning" is set, no - cognitively?
Nev Loring: Affective filters would be lowered with increased participation, and that has been shown to help retention
Meredith Winslet: Exactly -- how do we measure it ?
Grinn Pidgeon: enhance as is raise to another level?
Grinn Pidgeon: as in
AJ Brooks: retention - interesting
Ewan Bonham: Nev, i agree
Cooper Macbeth: The acquisition of a different response to the same stimuli, I think, would imply learning.
Sheila Yoshikawa: just cognitively?
Olivia Hotshot: Well if the question is does it enhance it, i would say yes if enhance is meant to mean heightened, magnified, amplified, etc. SL does have a tendency to boost experiences. and why do we have to measure it?
Kali Pizzaro: the problem is some folk going to like it some folk aint . like most media or classroom, lecture, practical session etc
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: well, that brings up metrics...so I'll toss out what he e-mailed me.
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: "My question is whether this proves SL is working with their students, or just that it's working with people (select students and teachers) who are already evangelists for Second Life. I suspect the latter." SO can we give evidence, including metrics for success, to show that SL works broadly as a teaching tool? If you have case studies, share them. You may end up cited in New World Notes!
Zola Zsun: good one C M
Cooper Macbeth: Whether it was an 'enhancement' would depend on your survival rate. :-)
Meredith Winslet: @Iggy -- Exactly
Olivia Hotshot: Iggy, maybe he should come to the meeting and ask his stuff?
AJ Brooks: so you can't learn if you have the same response to the same stimuli?
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Now immediately Kenny Hubble's work came to mind
Sheila Yoshikawa: gordon bennett can we cite metrics that lecture rooms are working?
AJ Brooks: I agree - olivia
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: I think he would come to a meeting, but we had this debate today and sent me, his flunky, instead.
Nev Loring: Ok, but about the younger generations that are growing up accustomed to immediate chat and CMC, isn't the virtual world more useful to them than the digital immigrant?
Sheila Yoshikawa: I would trouble the "raked lecture theatre" as a teaching tool
Cooper Macbeth: You haven't demonstrated that you have learned anything if you respond the same to all stimuli.
AJ Brooks: ack -0 digital immigrant - HATE that
Kali Pizzaro: me too
Olivia Hotshot: me too
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: me seven
Nev Loring: hahaha
Ewan Bonham: yes, Nev
Olivia Hotshot: and they all live in the creepy tree house
Kali Pizzaro: hehe
AJ Brooks: Cooper - not exactly true. If I encounter a stimuli the first time, I can learn from it
Sheila Yoshikawa: given the age of most of us I think we have scotched teh idea of SL appealing mostly to the young
Profdan Netizen: Well, a related question, do VWs enhance community (compared to 2D online experiences)?
AJ Brooks: i don't need to encounter it a second time to learn
Kali Pizzaro: so if we can answer what is learning i'll have a private jet with the cash we make
Professor Noarlunga: dang....called away....back quickly I hope
Sheila Yoshikawa: lol Kali
Zotarah Shepherd: I would use Gardner's model of Multiple intelligences for types of learning and Bloom's Taxonomy for depth of learning.
AJ Brooks: actually - learning is pretty clearly defined - medically/cognitively - Cooper is on to the right idea
Cooper Macbeth: Only if it changes something, I believe. Kind of like time, nothing changes then time hasn't elapsed. (sorry, I'm goofy sometimes.)
Kali Pizzaro: i mean the mechanism of learning
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: But Nev has asked a great Q. Is this more effective than other forms of online engagement? I'm not so sure. The US undergrads, in my experience, very much consider SL a Creepy Treehouse
Facilitate Clarity: "My question is whether this proves SL is working with their students, or just that it's working with people (select students and teachers) who are already evangelists for Second Life. I suspect the latter." ---- doesn't this self-answered question presume that our SL students are signing up for a course in SL over and over again. In my experience, my students are overwhelmingly noobs each time.
Kali Pizzaro: my students thought so
Kali Pizzaro: they reported a better more enjoyable experience and a perception of increased learning than other vle
Sheila Yoshikawa: kali, that it was creepy or that it was effective
Dabici Straulino: gardner multiple intelligence is great concept but to my knowledge, there is no measurement for it
Profdan Netizen: Well, SL for most students wouldn't qualify for creepy treehouse, since it's not an online environment that most first sought out on their own.
Cooper Macbeth: So possibly, VW's are another 'learning style for Gardner?
Nev Loring: SL isn't the be all and end all of VWs, it just happens to be one of the first. I really feel this sort of engagement will become more natural as the internet and bandwidth increases
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: @Facilitate...not at my school. We don't do distance learning. So whether SL is or is not in a class is a matter of chance.
Zola Zsun: not to mention the fun factor. ii mean we can fly here :)
Zola Zsun: its' gotta add to engagement.. it did for rm
Zola Zsun: me
Zola Zsun: lol
Facilitate Clarity: My students appreciated the fact that they were exposed to things/people in SL that they would not otherwise have experienced in our underfunded university
Grinn Pidgeon: why do we always have to prove that a technology is better than another way of learning, instead of just a different way that accomplishes as much?
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: @Dan--big difference for your students, then.
Kali Pizzaro: exactly
AJ Brooks: wowo - awesome Grinn
Zotarah Shepherd: Some people who do not learn in SL are not visual learners and have limited imaginations. The same people who have trouble dispelling disbelief when watching a movie.
Zola Zsun: yeah Grinn... !
Cooper Macbeth: TRUE Grenn
Ewan Bonham: i agree Grinn
Kali Pizzaro: it is another way
Olivia Hotshot: Cooper - perhaps immersive learning would be, but not the platform
Nev Loring: Has anyone here done a distance course? They can be pretty lifeless
Sheila Yoshikawa: @Grinn - here here
Kali Pizzaro: it is not always the way
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: @Grinn, true. But SL is time-intensive and we have to be asssessed (damn it).
Zola Zsun: i have with wimba... YAWN
Ignatius Onomatopoeia hates assessment but there it is.
Profdan Netizen: Though, Iggy, some still find it creepy! Esp. when they stumble into an exotic dancing club!
Marc Rexen: That's why SL is attractive to me...it brings lifeless Distance Courses to life.
Ewan Bonham: Yes nev
Jennette Forager: Webinars can be erm, a bit of a yawn.
Zotarah Shepherd: Yes there should be alternate ways of learning for people who do not relate to virtual worlds.
Facilitate Clarity: I have done distance courses that are CMS-based (BIG YAWN!)
AJ Brooks: well - the exotic treehouse is not what creepy treehouse means, though
Kali Pizzaro: how many students log on to vws before class
Janor Slichter: how's it bring lifeless distance ed courses to life, that sounds important
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: LOL AJ
Jarrad Voom: very slow ressing for me
Sam55 Chester: I have don taught distance courses
AJ Brooks: CTH refers to adults taking over something that is for the kids - so to speak
Ewan Bonham: Yes, marc
Marc Rexen: Longish story, but the class was taught by a world-renowned teacher.
Nev Loring: @ Marc, imagine trying to organise a meeting like this in RL, who'd keep the minutes for one?
Dabici Straulino: yes, I am doing most of my Buffalo courses distances, we used SL with some for meeting. I am doing also SL training with voice in a German school on SL truly great
Profdan Netizen: One of the primary values I see in VWs for distance courses is giving students a sense of place and a much stronger sense of person than do 2D LMS or 2D apps.
Olivia Hotshot: Zo, isn't most of the ed system made up of ways for students to learn not in virtual worlds?
AJ Brooks: the metaphor they use for CTH is a tree house that the single adult guy with no kids, down the block, builds for the kids
AJ Brooks: creepy!
Zotarah Shepherd: All students should be tested to see how they learn best and then we can teach them better.
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: But I would think that in the medical fields, there are other good case studies to show the effectiveness of SL for learning.
Marc Rexen: Weekly audio sessions, with chat back-channels, web-pages, and e-mail for groups.
Sheila Yoshikawa: since SL is meant for over 18s does that mean it can't be a CTH then?
AJ Brooks: Zotarah - that is a myth
Marc Rexen: Course was a disaster for the first month, acknowledged by everyone.
AJ Brooks: learning styles are proven in research not to make a discernable preference in learning
Kali Pizzaro: agree iggy
Marc Rexen: Then we had the required day-long synchronous sessions, half a day was his.
Marc Rexen: Hearing his voice, seeing him react in real-time to questions, made the trust connection.
Kali Pizzaro: yeah so you just teach and they will sort it out themselves lol
Marc Rexen: Course sailed smoothly, back on weekly audio from that point on.
Cooper Macbeth: I have found manipulating what appears to be thousands of cubes then rearranging them three dimensionally to be a bit of a waste of time, yet in SL I can do it in a fraction of a second. Hmmm
Zotarah Shepherd: I would like to see research about that
Ewan Bonham: it does help with engaging the students
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: @Marc, how might that compare in terms of time to get acclimated to SL in a similar course?
Kali Pizzaro: for me it is about engagement compared to other vle
Marc Rexen: This is the only interface that allows that Trust Connection to be made...call it presence, a good back and forth, whatever, but make it, and students become happy students with a gifted instructor.
AJ Brooks: easy - look into cognitive science - its been done several times. There is no appreciable change based on preference
Nev Loring: The biggest barrier I can see with using Sl is the learning curve, but that will change too as it gets more intuitive
Jennette Forager imagines cooper's back yard, lettered with plywood cubes.
Facilitate Clarity: I think the "trick" is in choosing the technology that best facilitates the particular learning...I LOVE SL, but not sure I would want to spend an entire semester just "immersed"....don't think SL is best for each and every topic....it is the blending of the best tools that I think is what works
Marc Rexen: Learning curve exists for all of these.
Dabici Straulino: true about the learning curve most of my colleagues abandoned it
Marc Rexen: When we did an experimental NCSA course, using an early Xerox Parc interface, we stumbled all semester.
Grinn Pidgeon: @Facilitate--yes
Katya Anatine: I think that as with any technology- it is used as a tool it can be good. If it takes over and becomes the point, it's not so good.
Profdan Netizen: Other problem besides learning curve--tech problems, students who don't have computers that are powerful enough to make SL a rich experience for them.
Jennette Forager: Wonder why we all took to SL? have we ever talked about what made it work for this group?
Cooper Macbeth: I wonder if there was a learning curve for the TI-59, or maybe for excel, or powerpoint.
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: @Dabici, I think that is Au's point in what seems a loaded Q: SL works in education among folks like us who are already VERY committed to it
Marc Rexen: Then the day before Thanksgiving, the Internet empties, we got the bandwidth, the tech worked, and we all spent an entire afternoon immersed in the content, never thinking once of the tech.
Facilitate Clarity: I have colleagues who resisted email too...embracing new technology is always a challenge
AJ Brooks: straw poll - answer yes or no - have you ever taught a class using Second Life
AJ Brooks: Yes
JeanClaude Vollmar: no
Jennette Forager: yes
Profdan Netizen: y
Grinn Pidgeon: no
Katya Anatine: Yes - partly
Sam55 Chester: Yes
Gempf Oh: SL=no; other VR=Yes
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: yes-four
Nev Loring: no
Marc Rexen: no
Cooper Macbeth: y
Dabici Straulino: trend is to lap top and they are rarely well equipped in graphic card
Olivia Hotshot: yes
Sheila Yoshikawa: @Facilitate, yes
Zotarah Shepherd: not for a school
Janor Slichter: no
Ewan Bonham: not yet
Meredith Winslet: no -- I'm a liaiso
Sabastian Braveheart: yes
Kali Pizzaro: yes
Sheila Yoshikawa: yes
AJ Brooks: excellent - lots-o-yesses
AJ Brooks: thats awesome
AJ Brooks: much more than the last time I asked
Kali Pizzaro: and evaluated it
Jennette Forager smiles.
Kali Pizzaro: ;-0
Profdan Netizen: Many more than a year ago, AJ.
Facilitate Clarity: yes
AJ Brooks: so - how about some examples
Graham Mills: y
Dabici Straulino: no
Jennette Forager: CME's
AJ Brooks: how have you used it - effectively!
Cooper Macbeth: Follow-up question: did you use a text-based presentation (aka Powerpoint)?
Jarrad Voom: no
Nev Loring: Any language teachers here?
Jennette Forager: Doctors and health care facilities
Kali Pizzaro: problem based nursing scenarios for masters students
Kali Pizzaro: masters
Katya Anatine: I teach a qualitative research methods course, and had students in SL learning ethnography
Jennette Forager nods.
AJ Brooks: I mentor language teachers who use SL for their classes
Sheila Yoshikawa: @ cooper, no, never for teaching students
Cooper Macbeth: lol
Kali Pizzaro: blended approach for y class
Gempf Oh: Synchronous tutorial based on paper Distance Learning material.
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Built and used the House of Usher simulation. Replies from evals showed it and the race/gender change to have been valued by my students.
Cooper Macbeth: understanding numbers by moving processes from prefrontal cortex to visual cortex.
AJ Brooks: The Theorist Project, a great example of something that is just simply not possible outside a virtual world
Facilitate Clarity: met with educators in the Dominican Republic (Round trip airfare was $0.. or L0.00); went on ideations quests (stimulated new thinking, new perspectives)
Olivia Hotshot: forgets what the topic and listens.
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: @AJ--my kids LOVED it. Several said the Theorist project explained Freud's model well enough to help in other classes.
Gempf Oh laughs
Profdan Netizen: Used voice in SL to have students get into to small groups and read their essays to each other for feedback. When it worked, students really liked getting the instant feedback, the sense of working with others.
Facilitate Clarity forgets how to spell
Kali Pizzaro: good positive evaluation from my students . they believed they gained knowledge that improved their clinical practice before the end of the module
Ewan Bonham: Multiple streams of learning
AJ Brooks: Dan, how is SL better tha Elluminate or WebEx for that then
Olivia Hotshot: @ProfDan, excellent simple use of voice.
Facilitate Clarity gave birth in a birthing tank (would NEVER do that in RL)
Profdan Netizen: More of a sense of presence, AJ.
AJ Brooks: Elluniate has break out rooms
Olivia Hotshot: AJ, for one thing you don't need a license for the product.
AJ Brooks: AH HA!!!!!
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Answering the type of Q AJ just put to Dan, with some metrics to measure success, would be a key to answering Au's question.
AJ Brooks: (to dan)
AJ Brooks: Presence
AJ Brooks: very important, at least to me
Nev Loring: i agree with AJ
Marc Rexen: Presence is key. :)
AJ Brooks: its what makes this different
Kali Pizzaro: yep and to learning
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: While I agree with Dan, how do we prove that to outsiders?
Ewan Bonham: agree
Cooper Macbeth: Break out rooms still exist, you just have to move far enough apart. Worked great in my class for small voice collaborations.
AJ Brooks: we are not "playing" our avatars, we ARE our avatars
Meredith Winslet: The suits want to know.
Facilitate Clarity: SL, especially now, allows for a sophisticated level of mixed media in ways that other platforms like WebEx and Elluminate do not
AJ Brooks: and what our avatars experience, WE experience
AJ Brooks: we're going to say "I went to this meeting today"
AJ Brooks: I went .... I
Marc Rexen: Put a number on it, scientifically, demonstrate that SL is higher than Blackboard....I've been waiting for years for one of you to do that. :)
Kali Pizzaro: that is what my students said they would act exactly as they would in real life
AJ Brooks: @dan - lol
Profdan Netizen: Which, AJ, brings back my point about a sense of place,
Grinn Pidgeon: I put this meeting on m y yearly professional development file
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: @Meredith--and our assessment units and accrediting agencies. They want numbers, sadly.
Profdan Netizen: going somewhere, being somewhere.
Jennette Forager: SL is becoming a wonderful mash-up vehicle for media and community.
Facilitate Clarity looks at herself and wonders if Facilitate is I
Nev Loring: Well, to an extent AJ, but we aren't our Avies I think, more they are an extension of us. As is listening on a phone, or chatting on skype.
Jennette Forager: Yes, professional development, precisely.
AJ Brooks: AJ wonders if Facilitate is actually Bob Dole
Cooper Macbeth: Have you every tried to quickly visualize the intersections of two planes and then inspect the slope of the resulting line. Very difficult to merge two pieces of paper or to walk around the results.
Facilitate Clarity: yikes
Nev Loring: While presence is very important, the avatar and the distance from the human controlling it is also very important
Jennette Forager: Nev, I have to disagree with you. This is not a passive environment.
Jennette Forager: Not once you become a content creator.
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: LOL recalling "Dole IS 96" bumper stickers
Marc Rexen: SL fits the "cloverleaf of friends, both close and far" alluded to in the Google Social Media Slideset.
Nev Loring: Here, we're all equals, RL is not so forgiving (or easily manipulated)
AJ Brooks: you mean the 216 slides!
AJ Brooks: holy crap-a-moly to THAT
Jennette Forager: There is a safety factor there, Nev. Is that what you are referring to?
Zola Zsun: jenn i do not think it is passive even if you do not create
Nev Loring: Yes, exactly jeanette
Jennette Forager: Good point, Zola.
Marc Rexen: Correct, but warning, read into 4, and you're stuck...all 216 will be consumed. :)
Profdan Netizen: Agreed, Zola.
Facilitate Clarity: Facilitate is usually male, but is an alt for a female....hard to do that in RL
AJ Brooks: well - not ENTIRELY true - I did give up on it twice
Marc Rexen: SL is not even close to passive, even if you're just sitting and listening.
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: so how do we communicate the effectiveness of his environment in a way to bring in more colleagues?
Ewan Bonham: i t does seem safer than a classroom
AJ Brooks: why do we have to bring in more colleagues?
AJ Brooks: we model - if they see teh fit, they come in
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: @AJ--to get support on my campus :)
Profdan Netizen: More colleagues=more support.
AJ Brooks: we can only worry about us
Nev Loring: out with the old, in with the new I say! *grin*
Jennette Forager: Those using SL for treatment of phobias and PTSD are finding that safety/distance crey important and a big element in their success I believe.
Cooper Macbeth: Do the impossible and demonstrate its effectiveness.
AJ Brooks: right on - cooper
Jennette Forager: crey+ ???
Marc Rexen: I like the connection that SL is like Active Learner Classrooms...but no remodeling needed.
Dabici Straulino: immersive and real time interaction and collaboration are key, campus with panels and nobody is not a good use for SL, there must be a great offer of activities
Ewan Bonham: jeannette, yes...I have read that as well
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: @AJ--you have students who can run servers for you, dude. At Richmond, it's me and Fred (part time) and a few others but we have no dedicated SL support
Olivia Hotshot: 32 on the sim for the record
Ewan Bonham: marc...:)
Sheila Yoshikawa: you can remodel the "classroom" as you go
AJ Brooks: I don't have students who can run servers
Marc Rexen: Use that with a Dean that can't spend tons to remodel. :)
Cooper Macbeth: So many educators duplicate what can be in physical life. What's the point? (unless it saves material, time, space)
AJ Brooks: why my students know - I taught them - and they are Federal Work Study
Kali Pizzaro: sometimes it does and if it is clinical simulation you need to
Olivia Hotshot: Iggy we have no dedicated SL support here either. It is me and me.
AJ Brooks: which means, I don't pay them - its part of their financial aid - which means you can do that too
Ewan Bonham: Yes, can save money
Jennette Forager: It's tough for people to imagine the possibilities in here.....
Facilitate Clarity: @Iggy, on my campus it is me, myself and I where SL is concerned
Kali Pizzaro: might end up killing someone
Jennette Forager: until they experience immersive models or data visualization...
Kali Pizzaro: ;-0
Nev Loring: a virtual world replicates the real world, usually. Otherwise it becomes a game in my opinion (which I also believe in as a vehicle for learning)
AJ Brooks: you people - here in the US - need to learn about Federal Work Study
Profdan Netizen: Cooper, it's a starting point to replicate RL, plus for distance ed. often cannot do in RL from multiple places.
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Jon and Kevin at Richmond do great work, but they have to support lots of other apps. We are not even close to having enough usage to justify a full time SL support person. If so, I'd crawl over broken glass to hire Viv Trafalgar.
AJ Brooks: students get money to work, as part of their financial aid
Jennette Forager: or a group of 30 or 40 people from around the globe having a discussion.
Grinn Pidgeon: agreed, it's hard to figure out how to teach on the cutting edge and so many people recreate what is done f2f
Marc Rexen: Results from SL seem to have the same sort of up-tick that occurs with Active Learning spaces.
AJ Brooks: and ANYONE can hire them - talk to your financial aid people
Sheila Yoshikawa: @Nev I would say the virtual world is part of the (real) world
Olivia Hotshot: So does it enhance learning?
Sheila Yoshikawa: rather than "replicating" it
Marc Rexen: Machines are becoming much less of an issue too, students with new "desktop replacement laptops" have no trouble.
AJ Brooks: Olivia - you read my mind
Cooper Macbeth: @Profdan, But if we pursue the impossible first then there is no longer a discussion on VW viability.
Silhshoot Seelowe: SL Augments learning
Profdan Netizen: I think that if you enhance community, Olivia, you enhance learning.
Olivia Hotshot: That's why i ride shotgun, AJ. =)
AJ Brooks: lol
Grinn Pidgeon: I'd say it "can" enhance learning--then I'm stuck
Nev Loring: @sheila: So virtual worlds are here to stay? or do you mean that they are just an extension of what we were always doing?
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: No. It makes learning more active in a new way. If students engage, it enhances.
Facilitate Clarity: I wonder if the answer to the original questions differs depending on what the alternative is (for example, SL vs distance, as opposed to SL vs F2f, as opposed to some sort of hybrid)
Kali Pizzaro: maybe it is about enhancing the experience
Nev Loring: ((sorry, got it))
Sheila Yoshikawa: actually some of what is done f2f is worth replicating, if you are already working in an inquiry or problem based way
Zola Zsun: virtual worlds are definitely here to stay
Zola Zsun: and grow
Profdan Netizen: True, Cooper, but if other instructors cannot see themselves doing what they are familiar with in VWs, they won't even consider it.
Cooper Macbeth: VW = learning catalyst
Kali Pizzaro: yep that is me Sheila
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Zola is right...but that may not mean SL as the best solution for education.
Ewan Bonham: yes, Zola
Grinn Pidgeon: I think it's a lot about perspective, maybe a new perspective on the same material
Jennette Forager: Well said, Iggy.
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: maybe with a Web-based client.
Jennette Forager needs a new keyboard.
AJ Brooks: Sl is interesting because it is a TOOL and an ENVIRONMENT
Olivia Hotshot: SL is ONE solution.
Kali Pizzaro: agree olivia
Sheila Yoshikawa: @Grinn yes, for the students too, that is a benefit I see - seeing things in another perspective (e.g. communication skills)
Kali Pizzaro: not the answer to everything
Ewan Bonham: Yes, in a mix of assignments for a course
Olivia Hotshot: @kali - agree.
Ewan Bonham: some web based
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: @Olivia, SL was the best solution for the gender/race change assignment. It has community to test the effect.
Cooper Macbeth: @Profdan, my response is to "What we need to do to create drawing power?"" Do what can't be done. That was all.
Marc Rexen: SL is a good solution, for College age, others are better for k-12, and the future will have some sort of VW.
Ewan Bonham: some face to face
AJ Brooks: ya know - you guys are freakin awesome!
Kali Pizzaro: my students reported that it improved their real life communication
Kali Pizzaro: they only used text
Nev Loring: @Aj: why thank you =)
Grinn Pidgeon: duh
Ewan Bonham: How kali?
Cooper Macbeth: I recently read that time and money was the number one cause of college dropouts. These guys are working to put themselves through school.
Olivia Hotshot: @Iggy, very much so... i agree with that. Personally i do nto think there is one tool that is a BEST solution for education. I think TEACHERS are the best tool for education.
Kali Pizzaro: i asked that haha
Nev Loring: I have observed people becoming more like their avatars after prolonged use of SL, instead of the other way around
Ewan Bonham: yes, cooper
Olivia Hotshot: tech tool*
Ignatius Onomatopoeia high-fives Olivia.
Cooper Macbeth: So, it takes very little infrastructure and no commute time to VW.
Katya Anatine: Right, Olivia!
Zola Zsun: oh yeah saving money is another big deal.. vws can help with that
AJ Brooks: BRAVO OLIVIA
Meredith Winslet: @Olivia;)
Olivia Hotshot bows and hops of soap box
Jennette Forager applauds Olivia.
Marc Rexen: "No significant difference" was published how many years ago, and it has how many examples (want to say 2,000+ studies at the time).
Meredith Winslet: VWs can save $ -- how to get the suits to know it?
Marc Rexen: A good teacher gets through, the right tech just helps.
Kali Pizzaro: yep
Cooper Macbeth: How many of you have been able to squeeze in extra time with a student because you knew your commute was only a fraction of a second?
Zola Zsun: well doesnt someone have to do some convincing research stuff?
Facilitate Clarity: @Olivia, that is why I think that SL is so good...it puts the teacher back into the online program as an active participant (rather than someone who just uploads pdf files)
Zola Zsun: to show it saves money
Zola Zsun: :)
Ewan Bonham: Yes, cooper
Marc Rexen: yes, we do need that 2,001 paper. :)
Ewan Bonham: cooper
Cooper Macbeth: Working on it Zola, big time.
Zola Zsun: yeah facilitate
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Case studies are coming out. Kenny Hubble's work is only one example but a well known one.
Zola Zsun: yay cooper
AJ Brooks: Kens work is amazing
Nev Loring: Goodnight all, I must go, thanks for the chat. =)
Profdan Netizen: Any links for his work?
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: tc Nev and thanks
Kali Pizzaro: writing a paper at the mo
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: I'll post the link
Jennette Forager: Ack, sorry, but have to hop to RL mtg. Thanks everyone-- see you in Boston!
AJ Brooks: ping Kenny Hubble here in SL - he can send you links to the articles
Kali Pizzaro: oh their is a call for papers for IJET
Profdan Netizen: Bye, Jennette.
Olivia Hotshot: @Facilitate - that can be true - but online courses here at CSUC are NOT correspondence courses. Faculty are engaged in many many ways. SL can offer it too. I have seen profs lecture in sl the same way they do in rl - and they are still the sage-ola on the stage.
Kali Pizzaro: i will look for the link
Cooper Macbeth: I call it the killer app. That unbelievable, unforgettable experience that stops everyone from asking why and to start asking when.
Olivia Hotshot: Bye Jeanette
Cooper Macbeth: Argh, Jennette. I am real life, really, I'm here, pinch me.
Zola Zsun: bye jennette
Olivia Hotshot: oooh she is going to Boston too!
AJ Brooks: Ya know, facilitate - you remind me of someone....hmmm. can't put my finger on it. ;-)
Facilitate Clarity: I did an MA online (using Blackboard) and frankly I sometimes wondered if the Profs existed...in SL I know there is a human typist behind the avatar
Cooper Macbeth loves JF
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: I'll find the link-in the JVWR but cannot get it so fast
Dabici Straulino: facilitate: this is a great point
AJ Brooks: So - who wants to try to sum up why we do this - why go through the hassle, the redicule....
Profdan Netizen: It is, though online instructors can be quite present even in 2D L
Marc Rexen: Over 10 sets, met and married...suggests it is a fairly useful "social interface for meeting and getting to know people."
Profdan Netizen: even in 2D LMS.
Olivia Hotshot: @Facilitate - those are poorly designed courses Ð can happen online or f2f and lord knows i have had enough of them in my lifetime
Facilitate Clarity: @Olivia, I agree that there is much that an online Prof does, but that personal contact is often missing
Profdan Netizen: Exactly, Olivia.
Cooper Macbeth: @AJ, because we don't want to get dressed. Darn it.
Ewan Bonham: yes, olivia
AJ Brooks: @cooper - LOL
Kali Pizzaro: http://online-journals.org/i-jet/index
Ewan Bonham: But a second life course does offer the chance to have online classes and meetings
Zola Zsun: @ cooper... or off the sofa :) lol
Kali Pizzaro: maybe it is a case of you either got it or you aint lol
Olivia Hotshot: we do it because we all have had that moment or moments when things simply CLICKED for us and we loved it and want to share it with others. WE see the possibilities.
Meredith Winslet: @Ewan -- In a more intriguing manner than just 2D.
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: A writer named Ramesh Ramoli (http://play2train.us/wordpress/) noted that "In regards to your 'concrete, verifiable success metrics for using SL pedagogically'
We have published our evaluations in various Journals e.g. Journal of Emergency Management, Journal of Public Health Education etc" in response to Au's post
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: I'd show admins abstracts and summarize the findings as evidence
Cooper Macbeth: Just kidding. I do this because it is the most time and cost effective solution to teaching some recent discoveries.
Meredith Winslet: @Iggy -- thanks, I'm new to this.
Sarvana Haalan: Hello... I am still rezzing
AJ Brooks: Ramesh and his play to train work is astounding!
Profdan Netizen: VWs are the next step in online learning, adding dimensions that are lacking with 2D apps.
Zola Zsun: @ cooper i sticck with the sofa thing hahahaah
Ewan Bonham: I agree profdan
Kali Pizzaro: 10 mins
Zola Zsun: they aer the next step in many things including learning !!
AJ Brooks: next step? that implies there is a step beyond this
Zola Zsun: there is!
Zola Zsun: :)
Kali Pizzaro: so do we think it is worth continuing to teach in VWs?
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: For the transcript, we had Ken Hudson (SL: Kenny Hubble) here: http://www.virtualworldsedu.info/vwer/100406.html
Olivia Hotshot: maybe not even steps =)
Profdan Netizen: Oh, this is just the first step in immersive worlds.
AJ Brooks: thats like saying movies are the next step in books
Cooper Macbeth: Many steps beyond this. We're Silician, we're just getting started.
Sheila Yoshikawa: was just thinking that one factor is that i can get more control over the environment - i get frustrated with inflexibility of physical spaces - and can also be customised to preferences of learners - and to a greater extent than e.g. webct or blackboard
Sheila Yoshikawa: and quicker
Meredith Winslet: They're here to stay.
Ewan Bonham: Yes, Kali
Facilitate Clarity: does SL encourage us to be more creative in our approach to facilitating learning? is that why we find it so rewarding?
Zola Zsun: yay sheila!
Kali Pizzaro: it is easier to give up when faced with barriers than to continue
Ewan Bonham: One drawback
Ewan Bonham: If the system slows or goes down
Cooper Macbeth: @Sheila: Darn physical spaces, God won't let us move walls around. Darn it.
Kali Pizzaro: hehe
Meredith Winslet: True @ Ewan. But Blackboard has issues...
Kali Pizzaro: the hologram room please
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: if you have been here a few years, despite new headaches it's easy to see that VWs are improving, overall
Sheila Yoshikawa: in the UK educators meeting i was just at some of us were agreeing that we rather liked the aspect that you need to be agile, to think on your feet
AJ Brooks: how many of you have looked at something in the actual world and though it would make a great texture?
Ewan Bonham: Agree, meridith
Profdan Netizen: Agreed, Ewan, though we had the same issues when we first started teaching online over a decade ago.
Sheila Yoshikawa: lol yes AJ
Marc Rexen: I thought iJET looked familiar...I believe I used to host it...:)
Gempf Oh: @AJ laughs in agreement
Cooper Macbeth: @Ewan: slows or goes down pales to Colt 45 going off in the parking lot.
Kali Pizzaro: hehe Marc
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: LOL AJ--I do demo at our 1850s farmhouse when renovating and take pictures of old plaster for House of Usher!
AJ Brooks: @iggy - lol
Olivia Hotshot: Iggy you gotta start teaching a new book before you start to ummmmmm.... crack. =)
AJ Brooks: demo as in demolition, not demonstration
Marc Rexen: Early days...brings bak memories. :)
AJ Brooks: this is going to be an awesome transcript folks, thanks
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: right. We are tearing old walls out. If you want a working demo, however, come visit and I'll put you to work :)
Cooper Macbeth: Early days for me was getting several straight lines to look like a curve. :-)
Profdan Netizen: Remember sitting in front of a computer waiting 15 minutes for a picture to download!
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Right, Dan. We forget how fast things have evolved.
AJ Brooks: Cooper - you need to check out our amphitheater on Montclair State CHSS (the island just north of this)
Ewan Bonham: lol
Ewan Bonham: 1990s
Sheila Yoshikawa: i remember when you couldn't get pictures on a computer lol
Cooper Macbeth: Remember sitting in from the teletype waiting for the picture to 'rez
AJ Brooks: a curved amphitheater made int eh days LONG before curves were possible
Marc Rexen: Health Care Role Playing, Nursing, the Forensic DNA example, the Canadian Border example....all very strong examples.
AJ Brooks: spot on , marc
Cooper Macbeth: Will do AJ
AJ Brooks: virtual hallucination
Marc Rexen: I wish there was more language instruction going on...the voice is good enough for that.
Kali Pizzaro: that is me Marc agree hehe nursing clinical simulation
Dabici Straulino: ... and I remember when I paid 500$ for an HP calculator ahah
AJ Brooks: NOAA
Marc Rexen: The classic "French DInner" can easily be replicated here.
AJ Brooks: Svarga
Ewan Bonham: voice is very clear
Olivia Hotshot chuckles are people topping each other with the old school references.
Cooper Macbeth: There is language instruction: go to a German site and learn German the old fashion way: immersion.
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: It might help to give those questioning the efffectiveness of all this a history lesson
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: we forget so fast
AJ Brooks: I have an Italian teacher who will be using it for the second semester in the fall and a Spanish teacher who is doing her first
Grinn Pidgeon: the hair and clothes are so much better
Profdan Netizen: That's cool, AJ.
Zola Zsun: i tis so great for languages
Marc Rexen: So easy to find German, Italian, Portuguese, Spanish, French, Japanese, Korean, Chinese, here.
AJ Brooks: i'm thin again, and have hair - period!
Cooper Macbeth: I remember paying $50 for a slide rule. (Oops that makes me older than dirt.)
Zola Zsun: hahhahah
Marc Rexen: ...and of course Aussie and the impenetrable Scottish Brough. :)
AJ Brooks: well - folks, we're at teh end of our hour
AJ Brooks: our topic next week will be
Kali Pizzaro: woop
AJ Brooks: What the hell are you wearing?" - a frank discussion on how we represent ourselves in the virtual world
Kali Pizzaro: hides free pappy tshirt
Zola Zsun: oh cool
Janor Slichter: bring a furry friend?
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: LOL that kills me. I'll have to come in drag
Marc Rexen: Good...because it does matter, and it really changes how folks relate to you.
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: or send Pappy
AJ Brooks: and the week after that - Olivia is covering for me
Kali Pizzaro: you are not at the moment
Cooper Macbeth: Crap, I already said I hated getting dressed in rl, nowI have to defend my sl wardrobe. Dratz, and double dratz.
Kali Pizzaro: hehe
AJ Brooks: Olivia - what is the topic for the 27th?
Kali Pizzaro: woop olivia
JeanClaude Vollmar laughs thinking he might change his clothes for next week
Zola Zsun: more than wardrobe cooper... shape, hair, skin hahhah
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Hey, Kali, I could send ALL the Hillbillies and their lawyer
AJ Brooks: or did I mess something up?
Kali Pizzaro: only joking Iggy
Sheila Yoshikawa: ok I remember accessing the MEDLINE database on a computer that had no screen, it was so slow it printed out onto thermal paper and you started out by dialing up the computer on a phone on an ordinary line
Zotarah Shepherd: Why does " how we represent ourselves in the virtual world" matter? I think it does, but I would like to know why and how.
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: awwww, Kali. Don't you want to meet the Enochs?
Marc Rexen: It's that damnable "Presence" thing...folks do allow their visual and auditorial senses to tap into their upbringing and classify you "at first meeting."
AJ Brooks: well - Z - you'll have to come to next weeks meeting. :-)
Kali Pizzaro: Oh Sheila you should not be working at 106
Zotarah Shepherd: I will AJ. : )
AJ Brooks: I know you will :-)
Cooper Macbeth thinks he needs to bring his lawyer to the next meeting to defend his clothes, hair, skin, walk, blah, blah, blah. LOL
Sheila Yoshikawa: rofl i was just thinking that
Zola Zsun: how we represent ourselves is an added piece of info not as obvious in rl
AJ Brooks: Olivia?
Kali Pizzaro: of course Iggy a delightful lot i am sure
Marc Rexen: Profiles too?
AJ Brooks: hey guys - save something to talk about next week. ROFL
Kali Pizzaro: hey folks can you sue SL with windows 7
Zola Zsun: oh yeah i love profiles :)
Kali Pizzaro: use
Kali Pizzaro: not sue
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: hey folks! please post more pics to our Flickr profile
Sheila Yoshikawa: though we also represent ourselves in rl
Zotarah Shepherd: Reasons to have a professional AV and a social one...
Kali Pizzaro: hehe
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: big thanks to Hobbs for adding some last week.
Marc Rexen: Win 7 works great for me.
Dabici Straulino: yes I am on with windows 7
Cooper Macbeth: I'm trying to perfect the rezzing cloud. Then I can always tell people I'm still rezzing but wait till you see me. HOLLYWOOD,
Marc Rexen: 64 bit as well.
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: http://www.flickr.com/groups/vwer/
Ewan Bonham: Yes, Zot
Sheila Yoshikawa: i still have some to put up from 2 weeks ago
Zotarah Shepherd: Vista. : (
Sheila Yoshikawa: will do that and some from today
JeanClaude Vollmar: Win 7 works fine for me with SL too
Kali Pizzaro: thanks you i can get teh disc from work to upgrade
Kali Pizzaro: gret
Kali Pizzaro: thanks
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: New Mac OS X laptop--yum.
Zola Zsun: me too.. winn 7
Ewan Bonham: I agree Jean
Zola Zsun: wind
Zola Zsun: ows
Kali Pizzaro: thanks all will upgrade tomorrow
Marc Rexen: Just no issues...three machines now, including a portable...all with FRAPS as well.
Kali Pizzaro: yipee
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Windows 7 seems leaner, so it should run SL better I hope
Kali Pizzaro: bows
Marc Rexen: Emerald runs well, the beta 2 runs as well as it can.
Cooper Macbeth: This has been real. My first meeting here. You guys are a hoot.
Olivia Hotshot: Great meeting. Lots to listen to.
AJ Brooks: Olivia
Olivia Hotshot: Yes AJ?
Kali Pizzaro: great copper you are welcome
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: nice to meet you, Cooper! Please come back
Katya Anatine: Great meeting, all. Thanks, AJ
AJ Brooks: did I mess up the schedule. Are you covering next week or the 27th?
Olivia Hotshot: 27
Dabici Straulino: first time for me, great meeting, excellent moderation
AJ Brooks: ok - and the topic is?
Kali Pizzaro: you got Scottish connections cooper
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Who dat? Olivia?
Cooper Macbeth: Your kindness beckons. I shall return (I hope).
Ewan Bonham: First for me as well
Olivia Hotshot: heh Iggy.
AJ Brooks: Thanks Dabici - we meet here each week
Zola Zsun: bye yall its been fun
Ewan Bonham: very lively debates
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: tc Zola
Kali Pizzaro: welcome Ewan
Profdan Netizen: Thanks for coming, Dabici and Ewan.
AJ Brooks: join our group here in Sl or on facebook to keep up on meetings
Cooper Macbeth: Now where did I put that 'get out of Dodge' button.
Ignatius Onomatopoeia: look for us in New World Notes
Marc Rexen: Thank you Aj. :)
Olivia Hotshot: Great to meet you Cooper.
Sheila Yoshikawa: sorry
Dabici Straulino: see you next then
Meredith Winslet: Thanks all. Loads of fun.