VWER 13July 2010

Transcript of Virtual Worlds Education Roundtable: July 13, 2010

Iggy's Notes: Thanks to Grinn Pidgeon & Sheila Webber for the photos. Join our VWER group at Flickr and add your own pictures!

AJ Brooks: Hi everyone, and welcome to the Virtual Worlds Education Roundtable meeting.

Olivia Hotshot: holy mackeral

AJ Brooks: Our meetings are made possible by the Office of Information Technology at Montclair State University. We meet here each week at 2:30pm SLT for an hour.

Grinn Pidgeon: hello

AJ Brooks: For those sitting up in the amphitheater seating, please come down and join us around the roundtable. There is always an empty seat on the side closest to the ramp.

Profdan Netizen: Hi, everyone.

AJ Brooks: Our topic today is "Do virtual worlds enhance the learning experience?"

AJ Brooks: The Virtual Worlds Education Roundtable is a forum to educate and inform the community about issues that are important and relevant to education.

Olivia Hotshot: Hi dan, hello Professor Noarlunga

AJ Brooks: The views and opinions of any of our special guests or visitors do not necessarily represent those who volunteer or organize these meetings,

Professor Noarlunga: hi everyone....(waiting to rez!)

Kali Pizzaro: Have a seat folks

AJ Brooks: or of the College of Humanities and Social Sciences, Office of Information Technology , or Montclair State University.

Katya Anatine: Hi all!

AJ Brooks: This is a public meeting, so we do keep and publish a transcript of what is said in local chat. For a copy of transcripts, please visit http://www.vwer.org

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: It's a slow-rez kinda day

AJ Brooks: If you've not seen the transcripts, you should check them out - they are a great information asset.

AJ Brooks: The Virtual Worlds Education Roundtable meeting happens each week and we continue to develop a community of educators from around the world with a variety of thoughts, needs, and ideas.

Professor Noarlunga: whoa!

AJ Brooks: Please join the Virtual Worlds Education Roundtable group here in SL. You can also find us on Facebook and Flickr by our full name and Twitter @VWER.

Cooper Macbeth: Voice?

Olivia Hotshot: is anyone else seeing this besides me?

Olivia Hotshot: no Cooper, text today

AJ Brooks: When you blog or tweet, please remember to use the hashtag #vwer (IM me if you're not sure what that means)

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: no voice--just our happy fingers today :)

Grinn Pidgeon: yep

Olivia Hotshot: wow

Zola Zsun: everyone disappeared

Zola Zsun: almost

AJ Brooks: The VWER is looking to improve its web presence. If you have experience in that area and might be willing to volunteer some times, please IM me.

JeanClaude Vollmar: Cool effect there.

Zola Zsun: strange happenings

AJ Brooks: For those not familiar with these type of text chat meetings, as a hint, it is better to have your "local chat" open, it will help you follow along better.

Ignatius Onomatopoeia waves at Zola and promises not to be so snarky today

AJ Brooks: As a reminder, we do ask that everyone sitting in the theater seating join us around the roundtable. There is always an empty seat on side closest to the ramp.

Cooper Macbeth: Is there voice?

AJ Brooks: Finally, if you have Mystitool on, or other similar tool, please put it to sleep or detach it for now. :-) It tends to lag things.

Olivia Hotshot: No cooper - it is text

AJ Brooks: One more announcement, before we get started - as many of you know, the VWER will be a Community Sponsor for the Second Life Community Convention (SLCC), which will take place

AJ Brooks: August 13-15 in Boston, with some sessions streamed into SL.

AJ Brooks: A few people got together and came up with this idea originally, but then we also decided to let others join in if they wanted, so we created the "Sponsor the Sponsorship" Campaign.

AJ Brooks: We started out at a Level 8 Sponsorship but thanks to the generosity of about a dozen people (and one in particular),

AJ Brooks: we have now reached Level 5, which is the highest Community Sponsorship available. Our next goal is to hold a competition and provide one person with a paid registration to the convention.

AJ Brooks: We only need about $75 to reach that goal, and if we do, I'll be posting details on how VWER members (Facebook or in-world group) can try to apply for the registration.

AJ Brooks: In order to support this effort, via Paypal, visit this page http://bit.ly/aRma0I I've also put a URL giver in the middle of the roundtable with the link.

AJ Brooks: One important note, although the Paypal page uses the word "donation", the VWER is not a tax exempt organization and any funds provided are not tax deductible.

AJ Brooks: Please let me or Olivia Hotshot know if you have any questions.

JeanClaude Vollmar: LOL

AJ Brooks: Why don't we start off the way we always do, by introducing ourselves. No need to wait, go ahead and type into local chat now

AJ Brooks: Let us know who you are, what you do, and your educational affiliation.

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AJ Brooks: My name is AJ Kelton and I am the Director, Emerging Instructional Technology for the College of Humanities and Social Sciences at Montclair State University in New Jersey

Ignatius Onomatopoeia is Joe Essid, Dept. of Rhetoric and Communication Studies. I'm the University of Richmond's Writing Center and Writing Across the Curriculum Director. I've taught four courses with SL. I'm part of a design team building an immersive simulation of Poe's House of Usher. This simulation debuted in the 2009-2010 academic year.

AJ Brooks:

Kali Pizzaro: Evelyn McElhinney Nurse Lecturer Glasgow Caledonian Uni

Grinn Pidgeon: Dr. Barbara Pittman, Cuyahoga Community College, Cleveland, Ohio. Faculty Development/Instructional technology/English teacher

Professor Noarlunga: Scott Diener, Associate Director, IT Services - The University of Auckland, New Zealand

Profdan Netizen: Dan Holt, Lansing Community College, Lansing, Michigan. I teach writing, first year comp and creative writing.

Meredith Winslet: Hi -- I'm a history instructor at TCC and work in a library...

Jennette Forager: Janalee Redmond, Washington, DC- Director of The Epoch Institute and Community Manager for Metanomics

Zola Zsun: Zola Zsun/Linda Lindseyy-UTSA

Katya Anatine: I'm faculty in St. Louis, Educational Studies

Brenda Jericho: Brenda Kerr (Brenda Jericho), Instructional Technology Specialist at Middle Tennessee State University

JeanClaude Vollmar: I'm Jeff Le Blanc from the University of Northwestern Ohio. I'm the VP for Information Technology there.

Janor Slichter is Neal Helman, ex-educator w/no current affiliation

Gempf Oh: I'm Mr Oh.... I grew up right near Montclair now teach at London School of Theology in England.

Sheila Yoshikawa: Sheila Webber outside SL, teach in the Department of Information Studies, the iSchool, University of Sheffield, UK

Sabastian Braveheart: Teacher Bris Qld Australia

Graham Mills: Peter Miller, biologist, University of Liverpool

Dabici Straulino: I am dabici, relatively new in SLinternational distant student at Buffalo State in Creativity and change leadership

Olivia Hotshot: Ann Steckel, California State University Chico, techie and long time educator, currently designing CLIVE island and working on the safaris along with maintaining 2 campuses.

Dabici Straulino: dabici is Nicole from Quebec

AJ Brooks: who else?

AJ Brooks: anyoen who hasn't introduced themselves yet?

Cooper Macbeth: Cooper Macbeth, cognitive researcher in mathematical pedagogy. (sounds good)

Sam55 Chester: I teach Writing and Composition at National Park Community College

Facilitate Clarity: Roberta Kilkenny, Hunter College, CUNY

AJ Brooks: anyone else?

AJ Brooks: going once

AJ Brooks: going twice

AJ Brooks: sold to the lady in the Elizabethan dress

Kali Pizzaro: 26 for the transcript

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: woot

AJ Brooks: Ok - so, today our topic is - "Do virtual worlds enhance the learning experience"

AJ Brooks: one important note

AJ Brooks: this was a topic suggested by a member

AJ Brooks: in our Google Moderator stream

AJ Brooks: you can suggest topics and vote for once that have already been suggested there

AJ Brooks: IM me if you'd like the link for that

Kali Pizzaro: come sit at the table folks

AJ Brooks: we also post it in our email announcements

AJ Brooks: so - do we think virtual worlds enhance the learning experience?

Grinn Pidgeon: do books?

AJ Brooks: lol

AJ Brooks: do they?

Sheila Yoshikawa: I would say - "it depends"

Janor Slichter: depends on what you do with them

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: be careful ya'll. Hamlet Au asked me to report on this meeting. It's been a hot topic at NWN

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: I'll have his Q to us in a bit

Zola Zsun: well one thing is for sure it can enhance the distance learning experience :)

Kali Pizzaro: yep depends on how you use them

AJ Brooks: ok

Kali Pizzaro: helps with socialisation and immersion

AJ Brooks: so - if we think it can, then how

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Nev Loring: Virtual worlds give nice additional abilities to normal life. I mean, flying.

Jennette Forager: Better retention...

Dabici Straulino: great potential to diversify format for distance learning not only reading and writing

Cooper Macbeth: The ability to manipulate and change viewpoints of some mathematical constructs (like NUMBERS) is very difficult spatially and temporally, SO absolutely!!!

Sheila Yoshikawa: like any environment, depends on how you have designed the learning teaching & assessment, who the learners are, what the learning outcomes are ...

AJ Brooks: how does flying enhance learning?

Kali Pizzaro: the use of multimodal media

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: immersion in a good simulation cannot but help--but "enhance" is a tricky word. How do you measure it?

Nev Loring: let's people express themselves

Janor Slichter: virtual presence allow a group to create an identity that can be socially helpful for learning

Kali Pizzaro: helps to engage the students

Kali Pizzaro: and me

Kali Pizzaro: hehe

Meredith Winslet: Agreed.There's potential.

Cooper Macbeth: @AJ, how does walking enhance learning? or crawling? or swimming?

Kali Pizzaro: synchronous chat helps

AJ Brooks: I'm not sure walking DOES enhance those things

Meredith Winslet: Some people learn that way. hehe

Olivia Hotshot waits with baited breath for AJ's answer on walking

Olivia Hotshot: are we talking SL walking?

AJ Brooks: lol - well, I think one can learn without walking

Dabici Straulino: great point, it depends what your learning preferences are

Jennette Forager: walking and crawling pattern the brain, Cooper. Prepare it for later learning.

Zola Zsun: i think it is the ability to experience the same environment with the others with whom you are interacting... just like we do in rl that makes a difference

Jennette Forager: ;-)

Cooper Macbeth: Hard to move your senses around and experience different patterns if you don't move.

Profdan Netizen: Actually, walking does enhance learning--light exercise does, at least!

Ewan Bonham: Does it not depend on the type of course?

AJ Brooks: preferences? hmm - that has mostly been debunked in scientific research

Ewan Bonham: mine would be largely field interaction

Nev Loring: Avatars as a whole grant people faces when otherwise thety are just voices and faces, if even that

Gempf Oh: VRs are unique in allowing synchronous interaction while apparently experiencing the same environment. (smiles at Zola who types quicker)

Zola Zsun: :)

Kali Pizzaro: it allows for a number of learning styles

AJ Brooks: learning styles?

AJ Brooks: :)

Kali Pizzaro: text visual etc

AJ Brooks: and that is a good thing?

Kali Pizzaro: can be

Cooper Macbeth: Possibly a disagreement in the term 'learning' is appearing.

AJ Brooks nods

AJ Brooks: ok - cooper - go on

Ewan Bonham: mnay styles and methods to learning

Cooper Macbeth: Just wondered with the various verbal interactions if we were all in accord.

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: agreed. But how do we report "enhancement" even if we agree on what is "learning"? That's part of what Au put to me in his question.

Janor Slichter: the creative nature of a virtual world holds the most potential for learning, IMO... building, scripting, interacting with stuff... active learning

AJ Brooks: well - I think the definition of "learning" is set, no - cognitively?

Nev Loring: Affective filters would be lowered with increased participation, and that has been shown to help retention

Meredith Winslet: Exactly -- how do we measure it ?

Grinn Pidgeon: enhance as is raise to another level?

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Grinn Pidgeon: as in

AJ Brooks: retention - interesting

Ewan Bonham: Nev, i agree

Cooper Macbeth: The acquisition of a different response to the same stimuli, I think, would imply learning.

Sheila Yoshikawa: just cognitively?

Olivia Hotshot: Well if the question is does it enhance it, i would say yes if enhance is meant to mean heightened, magnified, amplified, etc. SL does have a tendency to boost experiences. and why do we have to measure it?

Kali Pizzaro: the problem is some folk going to like it some folk aint . like most media or classroom, lecture, practical session etc

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: well, that brings up metrics...so I'll toss out what he e-mailed me.

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: "My question is whether this proves SL is working with their students, or just that it's working with people (select students and teachers) who are already evangelists for Second Life. I suspect the latter." SO can we give evidence, including metrics for success, to show that SL works broadly as a teaching tool? If you have case studies, share them. You may end up cited in New World Notes!

Zola Zsun: good one C M

Cooper Macbeth: Whether it was an 'enhancement' would depend on your survival rate. :-)

Meredith Winslet: @Iggy -- Exactly

Olivia Hotshot: Iggy, maybe he should come to the meeting and ask his stuff?

AJ Brooks: so you can't learn if you have the same response to the same stimuli?

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Now immediately Kenny Hubble's work came to mind

Sheila Yoshikawa: gordon bennett can we cite metrics that lecture rooms are working?

AJ Brooks: I agree - olivia

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: I think he would come to a meeting, but we had this debate today and sent me, his flunky, instead.

Nev Loring: Ok, but about the younger generations that are growing up accustomed to immediate chat and CMC, isn't the virtual world more useful to them than the digital immigrant?

Sheila Yoshikawa: I would trouble the "raked lecture theatre" as a teaching tool

Cooper Macbeth: You haven't demonstrated that you have learned anything if you respond the same to all stimuli.

AJ Brooks: ack -0 digital immigrant - HATE that

Kali Pizzaro: me too

Olivia Hotshot: me too

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: me seven

Nev Loring: hahaha

Ewan Bonham: yes, Nev

Olivia Hotshot: and they all live in the creepy tree house

Kali Pizzaro: hehe

AJ Brooks: Cooper - not exactly true. If I encounter a stimuli the first time, I can learn from it

Sheila Yoshikawa: given the age of most of us I think we have scotched teh idea of SL appealing mostly to the young

Profdan Netizen: Well, a related question, do VWs enhance community (compared to 2D online experiences)?

AJ Brooks: i don't need to encounter it a second time to learn

Kali Pizzaro: so if we can answer what is learning i'll have a private jet with the cash we make

Professor Noarlunga: dang....called away....back quickly I hope

Sheila Yoshikawa: lol Kali

Zotarah Shepherd: I would use Gardner's model of Multiple intelligences for types of learning and Bloom's Taxonomy for depth of learning.

AJ Brooks: actually - learning is pretty clearly defined - medically/cognitively - Cooper is on to the right idea

Cooper Macbeth: Only if it changes something, I believe. Kind of like time, nothing changes then time hasn't elapsed. (sorry, I'm goofy sometimes.)

Kali Pizzaro: i mean the mechanism of learning

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: But Nev has asked a great Q. Is this more effective than other forms of online engagement? I'm not so sure. The US undergrads, in my experience, very much consider SL a Creepy Treehouse

Facilitate Clarity: "My question is whether this proves SL is working with their students, or just that it's working with people (select students and teachers) who are already evangelists for Second Life. I suspect the latter." ---- doesn't this self-answered question presume that our SL students are signing up for a course in SL over and over again. In my experience, my students are overwhelmingly noobs each time.

Kali Pizzaro: my students thought so

Kali Pizzaro: they reported a better more enjoyable experience and a perception of increased learning than other vle

Sheila Yoshikawa: kali, that it was creepy or that it was effective

Dabici Straulino: gardner multiple intelligence is great concept but to my knowledge, there is no measurement for it

Profdan Netizen: Well, SL for most students wouldn't qualify for creepy treehouse, since it's not an online environment that most first sought out on their own.

Cooper Macbeth: So possibly, VW's are another 'learning style for Gardner?

Nev Loring: SL isn't the be all and end all of VWs, it just happens to be one of the first. I really feel this sort of engagement will become more natural as the internet and bandwidth increases

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: @Facilitate...not at my school. We don't do distance learning. So whether SL is or is not in a class is a matter of chance.

Zola Zsun: not to mention the fun factor. ii mean we can fly here :)

Zola Zsun: its' gotta add to engagement.. it did for rm

Zola Zsun: me

Zola Zsun: lol

Facilitate Clarity: My students appreciated the fact that they were exposed to things/people in SL that they would not otherwise have experienced in our underfunded university

Grinn Pidgeon: why do we always have to prove that a technology is better than another way of learning, instead of just a different way that accomplishes as much?

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: @Dan--big difference for your students, then.

Kali Pizzaro: exactly

AJ Brooks: wowo - awesome Grinn

Zotarah Shepherd: Some people who do not learn in SL are not visual learners and have limited imaginations. The same people who have trouble dispelling disbelief when watching a movie.

Zola Zsun: yeah Grinn... !

Cooper Macbeth: TRUE Grenn

Ewan Bonham: i agree Grinn

Kali Pizzaro: it is another way

Olivia Hotshot: Cooper - perhaps immersive learning would be, but not the platform

Nev Loring: Has anyone here done a distance course? They can be pretty lifeless

Sheila Yoshikawa: @Grinn - here here

Kali Pizzaro: it is not always the way

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: @Grinn, true. But SL is time-intensive and we have to be asssessed (damn it).

Zola Zsun: i have with wimba... YAWN

Ignatius Onomatopoeia hates assessment but there it is.

Profdan Netizen: Though, Iggy, some still find it creepy! Esp. when they stumble into an exotic dancing club!

Marc Rexen: That's why SL is attractive to me...it brings lifeless Distance Courses to life.

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Ewan Bonham: Yes nev

Jennette Forager: Webinars can be erm, a bit of a yawn.

Zotarah Shepherd: Yes there should be alternate ways of learning for people who do not relate to virtual worlds.

Facilitate Clarity: I have done distance courses that are CMS-based (BIG YAWN!)

AJ Brooks: well - the exotic treehouse is not what creepy treehouse means, though

Kali Pizzaro: how many students log on to vws before class

Janor Slichter: how's it bring lifeless distance ed courses to life, that sounds important

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: LOL AJ

Jarrad Voom: very slow ressing for me

Sam55 Chester: I have don taught distance courses

AJ Brooks: CTH refers to adults taking over something that is for the kids - so to speak

Ewan Bonham: Yes, marc

Marc Rexen: Longish story, but the class was taught by a world-renowned teacher.

Nev Loring: @ Marc, imagine trying to organise a meeting like this in RL, who'd keep the minutes for one?

Dabici Straulino: yes, I am doing most of my Buffalo courses distances, we used SL with some for meeting. I am doing also SL training with voice in a German school on SL truly great

Profdan Netizen: One of the primary values I see in VWs for distance courses is giving students a sense of place and a much stronger sense of person than do 2D LMS or 2D apps.

Olivia Hotshot: Zo, isn't most of the ed system made up of ways for students to learn not in virtual worlds?

AJ Brooks: the metaphor they use for CTH is a tree house that the single adult guy with no kids, down the block, builds for the kids

AJ Brooks: creepy!

Zotarah Shepherd: All students should be tested to see how they learn best and then we can teach them better.

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: But I would think that in the medical fields, there are other good case studies to show the effectiveness of SL for learning.

Marc Rexen: Weekly audio sessions, with chat back-channels, web-pages, and e-mail for groups.

Sheila Yoshikawa: since SL is meant for over 18s does that mean it can't be a CTH then?

AJ Brooks: Zotarah - that is a myth

Marc Rexen: Course was a disaster for the first month, acknowledged by everyone.

AJ Brooks: learning styles are proven in research not to make a discernable preference in learning

Kali Pizzaro: agree iggy

Marc Rexen: Then we had the required day-long synchronous sessions, half a day was his.

Marc Rexen: Hearing his voice, seeing him react in real-time to questions, made the trust connection.

Kali Pizzaro: yeah so you just teach and they will sort it out themselves lol

Marc Rexen: Course sailed smoothly, back on weekly audio from that point on.

Cooper Macbeth: I have found manipulating what appears to be thousands of cubes then rearranging them three dimensionally to be a bit of a waste of time, yet in SL I can do it in a fraction of a second. Hmmm

Zotarah Shepherd: I would like to see research about that

Ewan Bonham: it does help with engaging the students

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: @Marc, how might that compare in terms of time to get acclimated to SL in a similar course?

Kali Pizzaro: for me it is about engagement compared to other vle

Marc Rexen: This is the only interface that allows that Trust Connection to be made...call it presence, a good back and forth, whatever, but make it, and students become happy students with a gifted instructor.

AJ Brooks: easy - look into cognitive science - its been done several times. There is no appreciable change based on preference

Nev Loring: The biggest barrier I can see with using Sl is the learning curve, but that will change too as it gets more intuitive

Jennette Forager imagines cooper's back yard, lettered with plywood cubes.

Facilitate Clarity: I think the "trick" is in choosing the technology that best facilitates the particular learning...I LOVE SL, but not sure I would want to spend an entire semester just "immersed"....don't think SL is best for each and every topic....it is the blending of the best tools that I think is what works

Marc Rexen: Learning curve exists for all of these.

Dabici Straulino: true about the learning curve most of my colleagues abandoned it

Marc Rexen: When we did an experimental NCSA course, using an early Xerox Parc interface, we stumbled all semester.

Grinn Pidgeon: @Facilitate--yes

Katya Anatine: I think that as with any technology- it is used as a tool it can be good. If it takes over and becomes the point, it's not so good.

Profdan Netizen: Other problem besides learning curve--tech problems, students who don't have computers that are powerful enough to make SL a rich experience for them.

Jennette Forager: Wonder why we all took to SL? have we ever talked about what made it work for this group?

Cooper Macbeth: I wonder if there was a learning curve for the TI-59, or maybe for excel, or powerpoint.

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: @Dabici, I think that is Au's point in what seems a loaded Q: SL works in education among folks like us who are already VERY committed to it

Marc Rexen: Then the day before Thanksgiving, the Internet empties, we got the bandwidth, the tech worked, and we all spent an entire afternoon immersed in the content, never thinking once of the tech.

Facilitate Clarity: I have colleagues who resisted email too...embracing new technology is always a challenge

AJ Brooks: straw poll - answer yes or no - have you ever taught a class using Second Life

AJ Brooks: Yes

JeanClaude Vollmar: no

Jennette Forager: yes

Profdan Netizen: y

Grinn Pidgeon: no

Katya Anatine: Yes - partly

Sam55 Chester: Yes

Gempf Oh: SL=no; other VR=Yes

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: yes-four

Nev Loring: no

Marc Rexen: no

Cooper Macbeth: y

Dabici Straulino: trend is to lap top and they are rarely well equipped in graphic card

Olivia Hotshot: yes

Sheila Yoshikawa: @Facilitate, yes

Zotarah Shepherd: not for a school

Janor Slichter: no

Ewan Bonham: not yet

Meredith Winslet: no -- I'm a liaiso

Sabastian Braveheart: yes

Kali Pizzaro: yes

Sheila Yoshikawa: yes

AJ Brooks: excellent - lots-o-yesses

AJ Brooks: thats awesome

AJ Brooks: much more than the last time I asked

Kali Pizzaro: and evaluated it

Jennette Forager smiles.

Kali Pizzaro: ;-0

Profdan Netizen: Many more than a year ago, AJ.

Facilitate Clarity: yes

AJ Brooks: so - how about some examples

Graham Mills: y

Dabici Straulino: no

Jennette Forager: CME's

AJ Brooks: how have you used it - effectively!

Cooper Macbeth: Follow-up question: did you use a text-based presentation (aka Powerpoint)?

Jarrad Voom: no

Nev Loring: Any language teachers here?

Jennette Forager: Doctors and health care facilities

Kali Pizzaro: problem based nursing scenarios for masters students

Kali Pizzaro: masters

Katya Anatine: I teach a qualitative research methods course, and had students in SL learning ethnography

Jennette Forager nods.

AJ Brooks: I mentor language teachers who use SL for their classes

Sheila Yoshikawa: @ cooper, no, never for teaching students

Cooper Macbeth: lol

Kali Pizzaro: blended approach for y class

Gempf Oh: Synchronous tutorial based on paper Distance Learning material.

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Built and used the House of Usher simulation. Replies from evals showed it and the race/gender change to have been valued by my students.

Cooper Macbeth: understanding numbers by moving processes from prefrontal cortex to visual cortex.

AJ Brooks: The Theorist Project, a great example of something that is just simply not possible outside a virtual world

Facilitate Clarity: met with educators in the Dominican Republic (Round trip airfare was $0.. or L0.00); went on ideations quests (stimulated new thinking, new perspectives)

Olivia Hotshot: forgets what the topic and listens.

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: @AJ--my kids LOVED it. Several said the Theorist project explained Freud's model well enough to help in other classes.

Gempf Oh laughs

Profdan Netizen: Used voice in SL to have students get into to small groups and read their essays to each other for feedback. When it worked, students really liked getting the instant feedback, the sense of working with others.

Facilitate Clarity forgets how to spell

Kali Pizzaro: good positive evaluation from my students . they believed they gained knowledge that improved their clinical practice before the end of the module

Ewan Bonham: Multiple streams of learning

AJ Brooks: Dan, how is SL better tha Elluminate or WebEx for that then

Olivia Hotshot: @ProfDan, excellent simple use of voice.

Facilitate Clarity gave birth in a birthing tank (would NEVER do that in RL)

Profdan Netizen: More of a sense of presence, AJ.

AJ Brooks: Elluniate has break out rooms

Olivia Hotshot: AJ, for one thing you don't need a license for the product.

AJ Brooks: AH HA!!!!!

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Answering the type of Q AJ just put to Dan, with some metrics to measure success, would be a key to answering Au's question.

AJ Brooks: (to dan)

AJ Brooks: Presence

AJ Brooks: very important, at least to me

Nev Loring: i agree with AJ

Marc Rexen: Presence is key. :)

AJ Brooks: its what makes this different

Kali Pizzaro: yep and to learning

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: While I agree with Dan, how do we prove that to outsiders?

Ewan Bonham: agree

Cooper Macbeth: Break out rooms still exist, you just have to move far enough apart. Worked great in my class for small voice collaborations.

AJ Brooks: we are not "playing" our avatars, we ARE our avatars

Meredith Winslet: The suits want to know.

Facilitate Clarity: SL, especially now, allows for a sophisticated level of mixed media in ways that other platforms like WebEx and Elluminate do not

AJ Brooks: and what our avatars experience, WE experience

AJ Brooks: we're going to say "I went to this meeting today"

AJ Brooks: I went .... I

Marc Rexen: Put a number on it, scientifically, demonstrate that SL is higher than Blackboard....I've been waiting for years for one of you to do that. :)

Kali Pizzaro: that is what my students said they would act exactly as they would in real life

AJ Brooks: @dan - lol

Profdan Netizen: Which, AJ, brings back my point about a sense of place,

Grinn Pidgeon: I put this meeting on m y yearly professional development file

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: @Meredith--and our assessment units and accrediting agencies. They want numbers, sadly.

Profdan Netizen: going somewhere, being somewhere.

Jennette Forager: SL is becoming a wonderful mash-up vehicle for media and community.

Facilitate Clarity looks at herself and wonders if Facilitate is I

Nev Loring: Well, to an extent AJ, but we aren't our Avies I think, more they are an extension of us. As is listening on a phone, or chatting on skype.

Jennette Forager: Yes, professional development, precisely.

AJ Brooks: AJ wonders if Facilitate is actually Bob Dole

Cooper Macbeth: Have you every tried to quickly visualize the intersections of two planes and then inspect the slope of the resulting line. Very difficult to merge two pieces of paper or to walk around the results.

Facilitate Clarity: yikes

Nev Loring: While presence is very important, the avatar and the distance from the human controlling it is also very important

Jennette Forager: Nev, I have to disagree with you. This is not a passive environment.

Jennette Forager: Not once you become a content creator.

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: LOL recalling "Dole IS 96" bumper stickers

Marc Rexen: SL fits the "cloverleaf of friends, both close and far" alluded to in the Google Social Media Slideset.

Nev Loring: Here, we're all equals, RL is not so forgiving (or easily manipulated)

AJ Brooks: you mean the 216 slides!

AJ Brooks: holy crap-a-moly to THAT

Jennette Forager: There is a safety factor there, Nev. Is that what you are referring to?

Zola Zsun: jenn i do not think it is passive even if you do not create

Nev Loring: Yes, exactly jeanette

Jennette Forager: Good point, Zola.

Marc Rexen: Correct, but warning, read into 4, and you're stuck...all 216 will be consumed. :)

Profdan Netizen: Agreed, Zola.

Facilitate Clarity: Facilitate is usually male, but is an alt for a female....hard to do that in RL

AJ Brooks: well - not ENTIRELY true - I did give up on it twice

Marc Rexen: SL is not even close to passive, even if you're just sitting and listening.

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: so how do we communicate the effectiveness of his environment in a way to bring in more colleagues?

Ewan Bonham: i t does seem safer than a classroom

AJ Brooks: why do we have to bring in more colleagues?

AJ Brooks: we model - if they see teh fit, they come in

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: @AJ--to get support on my campus :)

Profdan Netizen: More colleagues=more support.

AJ Brooks: we can only worry about us

Nev Loring: out with the old, in with the new I say! *grin*

Jennette Forager: Those using SL for treatment of phobias and PTSD are finding that safety/distance crey important and a big element in their success I believe.

Cooper Macbeth: Do the impossible and demonstrate its effectiveness.

AJ Brooks: right on - cooper

Jennette Forager: crey+ ???

Marc Rexen: I like the connection that SL is like Active Learner Classrooms...but no remodeling needed.

Dabici Straulino: immersive and real time interaction and collaboration are key, campus with panels and nobody is not a good use for SL, there must be a great offer of activities

Ewan Bonham: jeannette, yes...I have read that as well

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: @AJ--you have students who can run servers for you, dude. At Richmond, it's me and Fred (part time) and a few others but we have no dedicated SL support

Olivia Hotshot: 32 on the sim for the record

Ewan Bonham: marc...:)

Sheila Yoshikawa: you can remodel the "classroom" as you go

AJ Brooks: I don't have students who can run servers

Marc Rexen: Use that with a Dean that can't spend tons to remodel. :)

Cooper Macbeth: So many educators duplicate what can be in physical life. What's the point? (unless it saves material, time, space)

AJ Brooks: why my students know - I taught them - and they are Federal Work Study

Kali Pizzaro: sometimes it does and if it is clinical simulation you need to

Olivia Hotshot: Iggy we have no dedicated SL support here either. It is me and me.

AJ Brooks: which means, I don't pay them - its part of their financial aid - which means you can do that too

Ewan Bonham: Yes, can save money

Jennette Forager: It's tough for people to imagine the possibilities in here.....

Facilitate Clarity: @Iggy, on my campus it is me, myself and I where SL is concerned

Kali Pizzaro: might end up killing someone

Jennette Forager: until they experience immersive models or data visualization...

Kali Pizzaro: ;-0

Nev Loring: a virtual world replicates the real world, usually. Otherwise it becomes a game in my opinion (which I also believe in as a vehicle for learning)

AJ Brooks: you people - here in the US - need to learn about Federal Work Study

Profdan Netizen: Cooper, it's a starting point to replicate RL, plus for distance ed. often cannot do in RL from multiple places.

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Jon and Kevin at Richmond do great work, but they have to support lots of other apps. We are not even close to having enough usage to justify a full time SL support person. If so, I'd crawl over broken glass to hire Viv Trafalgar.

AJ Brooks: students get money to work, as part of their financial aid

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Jennette Forager: or a group of 30 or 40 people from around the globe having a discussion.

Grinn Pidgeon: agreed, it's hard to figure out how to teach on the cutting edge and so many people recreate what is done f2f

Marc Rexen: Results from SL seem to have the same sort of up-tick that occurs with Active Learning spaces.

AJ Brooks: and ANYONE can hire them - talk to your financial aid people

Sheila Yoshikawa: @Nev I would say the virtual world is part of the (real) world

Olivia Hotshot: So does it enhance learning?

Sheila Yoshikawa: rather than "replicating" it

Marc Rexen: Machines are becoming much less of an issue too, students with new "desktop replacement laptops" have no trouble.

AJ Brooks: Olivia - you read my mind

Cooper Macbeth: @Profdan, But if we pursue the impossible first then there is no longer a discussion on VW viability.

Silhshoot Seelowe: SL Augments learning

Profdan Netizen: I think that if you enhance community, Olivia, you enhance learning.

Olivia Hotshot: That's why i ride shotgun, AJ. =)

AJ Brooks: lol

Grinn Pidgeon: I'd say it "can" enhance learning--then I'm stuck

Nev Loring: @sheila: So virtual worlds are here to stay? or do you mean that they are just an extension of what we were always doing?

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: No. It makes learning more active in a new way. If students engage, it enhances.

Facilitate Clarity: I wonder if the answer to the original questions differs depending on what the alternative is (for example, SL vs distance, as opposed to SL vs F2f, as opposed to some sort of hybrid)

Kali Pizzaro: maybe it is about enhancing the experience

Nev Loring: ((sorry, got it))

Sheila Yoshikawa: actually some of what is done f2f is worth replicating, if you are already working in an inquiry or problem based way

Zola Zsun: virtual worlds are definitely here to stay

Zola Zsun: and grow

Profdan Netizen: True, Cooper, but if other instructors cannot see themselves doing what they are familiar with in VWs, they won't even consider it.

Cooper Macbeth: VW = learning catalyst

Kali Pizzaro: yep that is me Sheila

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Zola is right...but that may not mean SL as the best solution for education.

Ewan Bonham: yes, Zola

Grinn Pidgeon: I think it's a lot about perspective, maybe a new perspective on the same material

Jennette Forager: Well said, Iggy.

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: maybe with a Web-based client.

Jennette Forager needs a new keyboard.

AJ Brooks: Sl is interesting because it is a TOOL and an ENVIRONMENT

Olivia Hotshot: SL is ONE solution.

Kali Pizzaro: agree olivia

Sheila Yoshikawa: @Grinn yes, for the students too, that is a benefit I see - seeing things in another perspective (e.g. communication skills)

Kali Pizzaro: not the answer to everything

Ewan Bonham: Yes, in a mix of assignments for a course

Olivia Hotshot: @kali - agree.

Ewan Bonham: some web based

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: @Olivia, SL was the best solution for the gender/race change assignment. It has community to test the effect.

Cooper Macbeth: @Profdan, my response is to "What we need to do to create drawing power?"" Do what can't be done. That was all.

Marc Rexen: SL is a good solution, for College age, others are better for k-12, and the future will have some sort of VW.

Ewan Bonham: some face to face

AJ Brooks: ya know - you guys are freakin awesome!

Kali Pizzaro: my students reported that it improved their real life communication

Kali Pizzaro: they only used text

Nev Loring: @Aj: why thank you =)

Grinn Pidgeon: duh

Ewan Bonham: How kali?

Cooper Macbeth: I recently read that time and money was the number one cause of college dropouts. These guys are working to put themselves through school.

Olivia Hotshot: @Iggy, very much so... i agree with that. Personally i do nto think there is one tool that is a BEST solution for education. I think TEACHERS are the best tool for education.

Kali Pizzaro: i asked that haha

Nev Loring: I have observed people becoming more like their avatars after prolonged use of SL, instead of the other way around

Ewan Bonham: yes, cooper

Olivia Hotshot: tech tool*

Ignatius Onomatopoeia high-fives Olivia.

Cooper Macbeth: So, it takes very little infrastructure and no commute time to VW.

Katya Anatine: Right, Olivia!

Zola Zsun: oh yeah saving money is another big deal.. vws can help with that


Meredith Winslet: @Olivia;)

Olivia Hotshot bows and hops of soap box

Jennette Forager applauds Olivia.

Marc Rexen: "No significant difference" was published how many years ago, and it has how many examples (want to say 2,000+ studies at the time).

Meredith Winslet: VWs can save $ -- how to get the suits to know it?

Marc Rexen: A good teacher gets through, the right tech just helps.

Kali Pizzaro: yep

Cooper Macbeth: How many of you have been able to squeeze in extra time with a student because you knew your commute was only a fraction of a second?

Zola Zsun: well doesnt someone have to do some convincing research stuff?

Facilitate Clarity: @Olivia, that is why I think that SL is so good...it puts the teacher back into the online program as an active participant (rather than someone who just uploads pdf files)

Zola Zsun: to show it saves money

Zola Zsun: :)

Ewan Bonham: Yes, cooper

Marc Rexen: yes, we do need that 2,001 paper. :)

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Ewan Bonham: cooper

Cooper Macbeth: Working on it Zola, big time.

Zola Zsun: yeah facilitate

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Case studies are coming out. Kenny Hubble's work is only one example but a well known one.

Zola Zsun: yay cooper

AJ Brooks: Kens work is amazing

Nev Loring: Goodnight all, I must go, thanks for the chat. =)

Profdan Netizen: Any links for his work?

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: tc Nev and thanks

Kali Pizzaro: writing a paper at the mo

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: I'll post the link

Jennette Forager: Ack, sorry, but have to hop to RL mtg. Thanks everyone-- see you in Boston!

AJ Brooks: ping Kenny Hubble here in SL - he can send you links to the articles

Kali Pizzaro: oh their is a call for papers for IJET

Profdan Netizen: Bye, Jennette.

Olivia Hotshot: @Facilitate - that can be true - but online courses here at CSUC are NOT correspondence courses. Faculty are engaged in many many ways. SL can offer it too. I have seen profs lecture in sl the same way they do in rl - and they are still the sage-ola on the stage.

Kali Pizzaro: i will look for the link

Cooper Macbeth: I call it the killer app. That unbelievable, unforgettable experience that stops everyone from asking why and to start asking when.

Olivia Hotshot: Bye Jeanette

Cooper Macbeth: Argh, Jennette. I am real life, really, I'm here, pinch me.

Zola Zsun: bye jennette

Olivia Hotshot: oooh she is going to Boston too!

AJ Brooks: Ya know, facilitate - you remind me of someone....hmmm. can't put my finger on it. ;-)

Facilitate Clarity: I did an MA online (using Blackboard) and frankly I sometimes wondered if the Profs existed...in SL I know there is a human typist behind the avatar

Cooper Macbeth loves JF

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: I'll find the link-in the JVWR but cannot get it so fast

Dabici Straulino: facilitate: this is a great point

AJ Brooks: So - who wants to try to sum up why we do this - why go through the hassle, the redicule....

Profdan Netizen: It is, though online instructors can be quite present even in 2D L

Marc Rexen: Over 10 sets, met and married...suggests it is a fairly useful "social interface for meeting and getting to know people."

Profdan Netizen: even in 2D LMS.

Olivia Hotshot: @Facilitate - those are poorly designed courses Ð can happen online or f2f and lord knows i have had enough of them in my lifetime

Facilitate Clarity: @Olivia, I agree that there is much that an online Prof does, but that personal contact is often missing

Profdan Netizen: Exactly, Olivia.

Cooper Macbeth: @AJ, because we don't want to get dressed. Darn it.

Ewan Bonham: yes, olivia

AJ Brooks: @cooper - LOL

Kali Pizzaro: http://online-journals.org/i-jet/index

Ewan Bonham: But a second life course does offer the chance to have online classes and meetings

Zola Zsun: @ cooper... or off the sofa :) lol

Kali Pizzaro: maybe it is a case of you either got it or you aint lol

Olivia Hotshot: we do it because we all have had that moment or moments when things simply CLICKED for us and we loved it and want to share it with others. WE see the possibilities.

Meredith Winslet: @Ewan -- In a more intriguing manner than just 2D.

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: A writer named Ramesh Ramoli (http://play2train.us/wordpress/) noted that "In regards to your 'concrete, verifiable success metrics for using SL pedagogically'

We have published our evaluations in various Journals e.g. Journal of Emergency Management, Journal of Public Health Education etc" in response to Au's post

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: I'd show admins abstracts and summarize the findings as evidence

Cooper Macbeth: Just kidding. I do this because it is the most time and cost effective solution to teaching some recent discoveries.

Meredith Winslet: @Iggy -- thanks, I'm new to this.

Sarvana Haalan: Hello... I am still rezzing

AJ Brooks: Ramesh and his play to train work is astounding!

Profdan Netizen: VWs are the next step in online learning, adding dimensions that are lacking with 2D apps.

Zola Zsun: @ cooper i sticck with the sofa thing hahahaah

Ewan Bonham: I agree profdan

Kali Pizzaro: 10 mins

Zola Zsun: they aer the next step in many things including learning !!

AJ Brooks: next step? that implies there is a step beyond this

Zola Zsun: there is!

Zola Zsun: :)

Kali Pizzaro: so do we think it is worth continuing to teach in VWs?

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: For the transcript, we had Ken Hudson (SL: Kenny Hubble) here: http://www.virtualworldsedu.info/vwer/100406.html

Olivia Hotshot: maybe not even steps =)

Profdan Netizen: Oh, this is just the first step in immersive worlds.

AJ Brooks: thats like saying movies are the next step in books

Cooper Macbeth: Many steps beyond this. We're Silician, we're just getting started.

Sheila Yoshikawa: was just thinking that one factor is that i can get more control over the environment - i get frustrated with inflexibility of physical spaces - and can also be customised to preferences of learners - and to a greater extent than e.g. webct or blackboard

Sheila Yoshikawa: and quicker

Meredith Winslet: They're here to stay.

Ewan Bonham: Yes, Kali

Facilitate Clarity: does SL encourage us to be more creative in our approach to facilitating learning? is that why we find it so rewarding?

Zola Zsun: yay sheila!

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Kali Pizzaro: it is easier to give up when faced with barriers than to continue

Ewan Bonham: One drawback

Ewan Bonham: If the system slows or goes down

Cooper Macbeth: @Sheila: Darn physical spaces, God won't let us move walls around. Darn it.

Kali Pizzaro: hehe

Meredith Winslet: True @ Ewan. But Blackboard has issues...

Kali Pizzaro: the hologram room please

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: if you have been here a few years, despite new headaches it's easy to see that VWs are improving, overall

Sheila Yoshikawa: in the UK educators meeting i was just at some of us were agreeing that we rather liked the aspect that you need to be agile, to think on your feet

AJ Brooks: how many of you have looked at something in the actual world and though it would make a great texture?

Ewan Bonham: Agree, meridith

Profdan Netizen: Agreed, Ewan, though we had the same issues when we first started teaching online over a decade ago.

Sheila Yoshikawa: lol yes AJ

Marc Rexen: I thought iJET looked familiar...I believe I used to host it...:)

Gempf Oh: @AJ laughs in agreement

Cooper Macbeth: @Ewan: slows or goes down pales to Colt 45 going off in the parking lot.

Kali Pizzaro: hehe Marc

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: LOL AJ--I do demo at our 1850s farmhouse when renovating and take pictures of old plaster for House of Usher!

AJ Brooks: @iggy - lol

Olivia Hotshot: Iggy you gotta start teaching a new book before you start to ummmmmm.... crack. =)

AJ Brooks: demo as in demolition, not demonstration

Marc Rexen: Early days...brings bak memories. :)

AJ Brooks: this is going to be an awesome transcript folks, thanks

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: right. We are tearing old walls out. If you want a working demo, however, come visit and I'll put you to work :)

Cooper Macbeth: Early days for me was getting several straight lines to look like a curve. :-)

Profdan Netizen: Remember sitting in front of a computer waiting 15 minutes for a picture to download!

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Right, Dan. We forget how fast things have evolved.

AJ Brooks: Cooper - you need to check out our amphitheater on Montclair State CHSS (the island just north of this)

Ewan Bonham: lol

Ewan Bonham: 1990s

Sheila Yoshikawa: i remember when you couldn't get pictures on a computer lol

Cooper Macbeth: Remember sitting in from the teletype waiting for the picture to 'rez

AJ Brooks: a curved amphitheater made int eh days LONG before curves were possible

Marc Rexen: Health Care Role Playing, Nursing, the Forensic DNA example, the Canadian Border example....all very strong examples.

AJ Brooks: spot on , marc

Cooper Macbeth: Will do AJ

AJ Brooks: virtual hallucination

Marc Rexen: I wish there was more language instruction going on...the voice is good enough for that.

Kali Pizzaro: that is me Marc agree hehe nursing clinical simulation

Dabici Straulino: ... and I remember when I paid 500$ for an HP calculator ahah

AJ Brooks: NOAA

Marc Rexen: The classic "French DInner" can easily be replicated here.

AJ Brooks: Svarga

Ewan Bonham: voice is very clear

Olivia Hotshot chuckles are people topping each other with the old school references.

Cooper Macbeth: There is language instruction: go to a German site and learn German the old fashion way: immersion.

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: It might help to give those questioning the efffectiveness of all this a history lesson

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: we forget so fast

AJ Brooks: I have an Italian teacher who will be using it for the second semester in the fall and a Spanish teacher who is doing her first

Grinn Pidgeon: the hair and clothes are so much better

Profdan Netizen: That's cool, AJ.

Zola Zsun: i tis so great for languages

Marc Rexen: So easy to find German, Italian, Portuguese, Spanish, French, Japanese, Korean, Chinese, here.

AJ Brooks: i'm thin again, and have hair - period!

Cooper Macbeth: I remember paying $50 for a slide rule. (Oops that makes me older than dirt.)

Zola Zsun: hahhahah

Marc Rexen: ...and of course Aussie and the impenetrable Scottish Brough. :)

AJ Brooks: well - folks, we're at teh end of our hour

AJ Brooks: our topic next week will be

Kali Pizzaro: woop

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AJ Brooks: What the hell are you wearing?" - a frank discussion on how we represent ourselves in the virtual world

Kali Pizzaro: hides free pappy tshirt

Zola Zsun: oh cool

Janor Slichter: bring a furry friend?

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: LOL that kills me. I'll have to come in drag

Marc Rexen: Good...because it does matter, and it really changes how folks relate to you.

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: or send Pappy

AJ Brooks: and the week after that - Olivia is covering for me

Kali Pizzaro: you are not at the moment

Cooper Macbeth: Crap, I already said I hated getting dressed in rl, nowI have to defend my sl wardrobe. Dratz, and double dratz.

Kali Pizzaro: hehe

AJ Brooks: Olivia - what is the topic for the 27th?

Kali Pizzaro: woop olivia

JeanClaude Vollmar laughs thinking he might change his clothes for next week

Zola Zsun: more than wardrobe cooper... shape, hair, skin hahhah

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Hey, Kali, I could send ALL the Hillbillies and their lawyer

AJ Brooks: or did I mess something up?

Kali Pizzaro: only joking Iggy

Sheila Yoshikawa: ok I remember accessing the MEDLINE database on a computer that had no screen, it was so slow it printed out onto thermal paper and you started out by dialing up the computer on a phone on an ordinary line

Zotarah Shepherd: Why does " how we represent ourselves in the virtual world" matter? I think it does, but I would like to know why and how.

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: awwww, Kali. Don't you want to meet the Enochs?

Marc Rexen: It's that damnable "Presence" thing...folks do allow their visual and auditorial senses to tap into their upbringing and classify you "at first meeting."

AJ Brooks: well - Z - you'll have to come to next weeks meeting. :-)

Kali Pizzaro: Oh Sheila you should not be working at 106

Zotarah Shepherd: I will AJ. : )

AJ Brooks: I know you will :-)

Cooper Macbeth thinks he needs to bring his lawyer to the next meeting to defend his clothes, hair, skin, walk, blah, blah, blah. LOL

Sheila Yoshikawa: rofl i was just thinking that

Zola Zsun: how we represent ourselves is an added piece of info not as obvious in rl

AJ Brooks: Olivia?

Kali Pizzaro: of course Iggy a delightful lot i am sure

Marc Rexen: Profiles too?

AJ Brooks: hey guys - save something to talk about next week. ROFL

Kali Pizzaro: hey folks can you sue SL with windows 7

Zola Zsun: oh yeah i love profiles :)

Kali Pizzaro: use

Kali Pizzaro: not sue

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: hey folks! please post more pics to our Flickr profile

Sheila Yoshikawa: though we also represent ourselves in rl

Zotarah Shepherd: Reasons to have a professional AV and a social one...

Kali Pizzaro: hehe

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: big thanks to Hobbs for adding some last week.

Marc Rexen: Win 7 works great for me.

Dabici Straulino: yes I am on with windows 7

Cooper Macbeth: I'm trying to perfect the rezzing cloud. Then I can always tell people I'm still rezzing but wait till you see me. HOLLYWOOD,

Marc Rexen: 64 bit as well.

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: http://www.flickr.com/groups/vwer/

Ewan Bonham: Yes, Zot

Sheila Yoshikawa: i still have some to put up from 2 weeks ago

Zotarah Shepherd: Vista. : (

Sheila Yoshikawa: will do that and some from today

JeanClaude Vollmar: Win 7 works fine for me with SL too

Kali Pizzaro: thanks you i can get teh disc from work to upgrade

Kali Pizzaro: gret

Kali Pizzaro: thanks

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: New Mac OS X laptop--yum.

Zola Zsun: me too.. winn 7

Ewan Bonham: I agree Jean

Zola Zsun: wind

Zola Zsun: ows

Kali Pizzaro: thanks all will upgrade tomorrow

Marc Rexen: Just no issues...three machines now, including a portable...all with FRAPS as well.

Kali Pizzaro: yipee

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Windows 7 seems leaner, so it should run SL better I hope

Kali Pizzaro: bows

Marc Rexen: Emerald runs well, the beta 2 runs as well as it can.

Cooper Macbeth: This has been real. My first meeting here. You guys are a hoot.

Olivia Hotshot: Great meeting. Lots to listen to.

AJ Brooks: Olivia

Olivia Hotshot: Yes AJ?

Kali Pizzaro: great copper you are welcome

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: nice to meet you, Cooper! Please come back

Katya Anatine: Great meeting, all. Thanks, AJ

AJ Brooks: did I mess up the schedule. Are you covering next week or the 27th?

Olivia Hotshot: 27

Dabici Straulino: first time for me, great meeting, excellent moderation

AJ Brooks: ok - and the topic is?

Kali Pizzaro: you got Scottish connections cooper

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: Who dat? Olivia?

Cooper Macbeth: Your kindness beckons. I shall return (I hope).

Ewan Bonham: First for me as well

Olivia Hotshot: heh Iggy.

AJ Brooks: Thanks Dabici - we meet here each week

Zola Zsun: bye yall its been fun

Ewan Bonham: very lively debates

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: tc Zola

Kali Pizzaro: welcome Ewan

Profdan Netizen: Thanks for coming, Dabici and Ewan.

AJ Brooks: join our group here in Sl or on facebook to keep up on meetings

Cooper Macbeth: Now where did I put that 'get out of Dodge' button.

Ignatius Onomatopoeia: look for us in New World Notes

Marc Rexen: Thank you Aj. :)

Olivia Hotshot: Great to meet you Cooper.

Sheila Yoshikawa: sorry

Dabici Straulino: see you next then

Meredith Winslet: Thanks all. Loads of fun.